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[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 days ago (2 children)

the fuck is gonna happen to the price of [whatever the fuck] when there's 20% tariffs on everything, a shortage of labor, and the fed issues 8 trillion in bonds?

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[–] [email protected] 151 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (7 children)

Black voters went from

9 Biden - 1 Trump

to

8 Harris - 2 Trump.

What got Trump elected was white people. This article tries to paint a narrative which does not exist.

If it were up to black and latinos Harris would be president.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Interesting! I don't think you're making it up, but do you have a source for that? I'd like to learn more.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 4 days ago

Still twice the amount of votes compared to the last election, which leaves me with my mouth open.

It’s like voting for the wolf when you are part of a flock of sheep because the other sheep you could elect instead is not exactly the way you picture the perfect sheep.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

🤦‍♂️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦‍♂️

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 days ago
[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 days ago

I guess the work camps will count as a job. Good job!

[–] [email protected] 41 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

In some polls I've seen before the election, the top item for people -- this is in general, not a specific demographic -- who said that they would vote for Trump was the economy.

But you can break that down more than "economy". "Economy" can mean a lot of things. How the stock market is doing. Unemployment. Inflation.

And when people were asked about that, in the polling data I saw, prices were the top concern.

I commented well before the election and pointed out that inflation is extremely unpopular with publics. In a study -- and this is an old one, but apparently a well known one -- that looked at the public in Germany, the US, and Brazil, the public -- and particularly in Germany and the US -- said that they'd rather have a recession than inflation. That is significant, because in contrast, the mainstream economic position is that it's preferable for a country to have inflation than a recession.

I also listened to some interviews of people voting Trump, and a lot of people said "I was better-off under Trump than Biden".

My guess is that you can probably chalk a considerable amount of this up to:

  • Not understanding that inflationary policies weren't simply adopted in isolation, but to avoid a recession resulting from COVID-19.

  • Not knowing that it's normally considered that inflationary policy is preferable to a recession.

  • Not knowing that the Trump administration also adopted inflationary policy.

I also remember reading some stuff going well back saying that in general, people tend to credit the President pretty directly for whatever the present state of the economy is. If there are issues, they put it at the feet of the President, and if it's going well, they put it at the feet of the President...even if the President didn't have much to do with it (or if it was actually policies from a prior administration that took time to have effect). So to some extent, the politics of being the President always, not just in a situation with a fair bit of inflation as we had stemming from COVID-19, have to do with that voter attribution to the President of the short-term state of the economy.

I'd also add that political organizations know this and will -- not always honestly -- aim to exacerbate that take.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2024/sep/08/donald-trump/fact-checking-donald-trump-on-the-scale-and-causes/

Donald Trump

stated on September 7, 2024 in a rally in Mosinee, Wis.:

Vice President Kamala Harris “cast the tiebreaking votes that caused the worst inflation in American history, costing a typical American family $28,000.”

So if one wants to avoid the executive being unreasonably penalized for -- or taking credit for -- the economic state of affairs, then there's probably a hard communication problem that hasn't been solved for decades and decades that needs to happen.

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[–] [email protected] 165 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Boy are they going to be disappointed

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago (4 children)

There's still time for them to hop in the strawberry fields after the deportations, then unionize and strike and demand better wages before Musk gets rid of OSHA and collective bargaining

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 56 points 4 days ago

Maybe democrats should have been talking about black jobs like Trump did. What is a black job anyhow? Is that what all those text messages that went out to black people when Trump was announced the winner of the election we're about? Head hunters looking for new recruits to work in the exciting new field of...... checks notes, uh, picking cotton.

Fuck people are ignorant.

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