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I'm all for inclusion of all people in our society. No one should be prejudiced for who they are.

BUT! Today I have to draw the line! Listening to the Play School alphabet song with my kid and it goes "A, B, C, D....X, Y, zed or zee". Since when is this blatant destruction of our national identity accepted?

I'll be picketing outside the ABC's head office from tomorrow and following that the education office until this travesty can be corrected! Who's with me?!

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Idk which it's meant to be and I'm too afraid to ask

I feel like no matter how I say it some cunt always tells me I'm saying it wrong

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

As a NZr, I couldnt care less. English is a juggernaut truck - it goes on regardless.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago

Is play school big over there?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago

I always knew it as zee growing up. It worked in the rhyme.

"W, X, Y and Zee, now I know my A B Cs, next time won't you sing with me" (that last line is probably a separate argument on its own 😂).

Then Dragon Ball Z hit Australian TV and it was done after that.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

You're wrong Play School!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Wait until you hear what they did to the U.S. alphabet.

LMNOP is gone. They fucking killed it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

Close, but not quite. It's actually "L M N O P", but that's okay keep trying!! ;)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Basically the song got changed in elementary school from,

"ABCDEFG HIJKLMNOP QRS TUV WX Y and Z(ee)"

to

"ABCEFG HIJK L M N OPQ RSTUV WXY and Z"

Basically they slowed it down

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

So does it no longer go to the tune of Twinkle Twinkle Little Star?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It "does", which makes it even worse.

Sorry for the mobile YT link, starts at 25 seconds

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iVuk71UdIf8&amp%3Bt=27s&amp%3Bpp=2AEbkAIB

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

Wow, that was...something. Completely dumps the rhyming "ee". If kids are having trouble with understanding elemeno, a better solution (IMO anyway, as someone who is not in any way an early learning educator) would be to just be more staccato with annunciating the l. m. n. o. peee.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It’s fine. Outside of visiting the United States I never hear anyone say zee. Even the American guys at work say zed.

We explained to our 4 year old, when she was 2, why she might hear zee on tv. She gets it and goes “it’s zed!” when she hears those shows. This is a nothing problem.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

Exactly what we did. Demonised the filth, before the infection could spread.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Zee, candy, cookies. All that American language creeping in shits me.

And yet we also see "football" being used more and more often to refer to soccer. The one time Australian culture and American culture should be in sync, some of us decided to copy the bloody poms.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago

As long as they don't call it footy its fine. Football is a broad term for a lot of codes.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

⚽ 🇺🇸 SOCCER 🇦🇺 ⚽

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I'm not sure if I understand which version you'd prefer- Do you want football to refer to the game where players use their hands to move an egg shaped object, or do you think football should refer to the game where players use their feet to move a ball shaped object?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

We’re not America.

Here we say football to refer to the game where players use their feet to move an egg shaped object.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

Look out, you'll upset the rugby fans.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Tell me you have no understanding of the history of football sports without...

Also that you don't know what the word "ball" means.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I apologise for my attempt at a light-hearted joke, I didn't mean to cause offence. Although I was, and remain, legitimately confused as to which camp you are in.

I'll willingly admit I have minimal knowledge about football sports, but I always thought that broadly speaking American football was inspired by rugby, which essentially evolved from people cheating at soccer at a place called Rugby- I remember reading the little blue plaque there.

As for a ball, sure, if you're about slang and the elasticity of the English language, a ball can be any shape really. But, pushes up glasses acksually, the word ball means a sphere.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

Oh very well done, you found the one dictionary that limits the definition of ball to spherical objects. That, unfortunately, makes that dictionary wrong, because a dictionary's job is to describe language as it is used, and you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone in good faith who does not call the ball used in Australian football, American football, or the two rugby codes, a ball. Oxford does a much better job:

a solid or hollow spherical or egg-shaped object that is kicked, thrown, or hit in a game.

And so does (unsurprisingly, since it has the tendency to be the most complete source for a lot of words) Wiktionary:

An object that is the focus of many sports and games, in which it may be thrown, caught, kicked, bounced, rolled, chased, retrieved, hit with an instrument, spun, etc., usually roughly spherical or ovoid but whose size, weight, bounciness, colour, etc. differ according to the game

The history is actually interesting. The story you told is one I've heard before and at one point believed myself (though I've never heard someone take the inflammatory tone of calling it "cheating", so much as it usually being described as him being so wrapped up in the heat of the moment). But it's not quite right.

The truth is that prior to the mid 19th century many different forms of "football" were played across England, and whenever teams from two different areas wanted to play each other they would have to agree on a set of rules. It may have been sort of like how International Rules Football today is a compromise ruleset between Australian and Gaelic football. Then in the early to mid 19th century specific codes started to coalesce and become more standardised. Rugby has its first written standard ruleset in 1845, and what we know today as soccer followed shortly after in 1863 with the formation of the Football Association (from which soccer takes its name).

For a time between the formation of the FA and its first finalised Laws of the Game, rugby clubs remained members, but following a decision to remove the draft rules that would allow carrying the ball after "he makes a fair catch, or catches the ball on the first bound", rugby and soccer went their separate ways and eventually evolved into the sports we know today. (Incidentally, while I knew the information from the previous paragraph already, apart from specific dates, this whole paragraph was entirely new to me in looking up those dates just now.)

The use of the term "football" for all these sports, incidentally, comes from the fact that they are propelled forward on foot, rather than on horseback as in polo, or with a racket as in tennis. The origins of football sports are so intermixed it is impossible to say that one inherently has a better claim than any other. I would certainly not claim an Englishman is wrong for calling it football. But in this country, it has always been soccer, because we have our own local football codes.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

We coulda nipped this in the bud if we had joined together and formed AmerAustralia, a unified country. I tried to promote it. We’d each have each other’s backs when the other was sleeping. But noooo. And now Zed is dead. smh. I’m so sad for all that could have been.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The Austra-Zealand Union is what we should be looking at. Sure, the accent will take a hit, but we will be unstoppable in sports.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

You’d both be on the same side of the world. Who would keep an eye on things while you sleep?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

Don't call him dude, buddy.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Zee is your tipping point? Would you prefer to have Don The Con Trump for President? For perspective, there are worse things than Zee. Language changes. Check the Archaic letters section here.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

I don't care about who's president but messing with play school is not on. Next Noni will be changing the words to the ning nang nong

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Will you please take this seriously

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago

LOL! Seriously? Language is ever changing. Every generation adds and deletes words and usage. And we are global now so it's even faster.

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