The left: Infighting is why Kamala lost!
Also the left: In this essay I will detail every faction of the left that is guilty of infighting, and why they are wrong...
this post was submitted on 08 Nov 2024
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The democrats are now throwing trans people under the bus!
Yeah, it's advised to vote for the lesser evil, unless you're literally choosing between Mussolini and Hitler, but you need to provide even more than being better on social issues than Trump. I cannot vote in the US, but saw many of those who could begging the democrats to put a weapons trade embargo on Israel. They were already being called "too antisemitic" even by dumping all the weapons into Israel anyways.
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I voted for Kamala..
It's the Democrats fault.
Yup. They fucked us royally and I'm sort of waiting to see if people organize around this. The DNC needs to go. They've known about Trump since 16 and this is the campaign they run? They're trying to elect him at this point, I don't know what else to think.
Democrats: here's a rock and two nickels
Republicans: here's everything you've ever wanted and all the libertarian shit you used to jerk off to.
Liberals after the election: how did we lose??
Republicans: here's everything you've ever wanted and all the libertarian shit you used to jerk off to.
"But I know that he won't really give them that, and if they're stupid enough to believe that, we don't need their votes anyway"
~Every Democrat I've argued with since Tuesday
Lmao ditto
Anyone saying that it isn't the Democrats' fault is delusional. To win elections, you have to win favor with more people than the opposition, and Democrats failed to do that
Every argument I've been in since Tuesday has basically boiled down to "we didn't try to get more votes because we shouldn't have to"
I don't know, at this point I'm starting to ask myself if it's the Democrats fault if the majority of the people agree with the opposition? If she had won the popular vote and lost the electoral college I might have believed that it was simply appealing more to the Democratic base or appealing to less enfranchised liberals, but she lost the popular vote by a long shot. Not only did she lose, but she lost after the other guy has had 4 years of public attack, federal crimes, rape convictions, Project 2025, and basically promising that Palestinians and Ukrainians will get fucked. Hell, the percentage of women that voted for Trump went up in this election.
If people didn't turn out because Democrats aren't appealing to leftist ideals enough I fear the message heard by the DNC isn't to appeal to even more progressive or socialist ideals, but to adopt even more moderate policies. Just facing the facts, but the political left is an unreliable voter group and it's extremely entitled. Instead of trying to be a foil to Republican ideals Democrats are more likely to try more moderate options. Think of it as creating an alternative instead of being an opposite, Coke and Pepsi instead of Coke and Sprite. It feels like the needle of America's social equilibrium has permanently moved to be more conservative.
I think the problem is that Harris was barely appealing to any ideals. If she had run hard on medicare for all and raising the minimum wage, I think she might have gotten the popular vote. Instead, she promised more of the same that we've had for the last 4 years.
Eh, I'll concede that she wasn't screaming her ideals as loud as possible, but that goes back to my original point. The political left is a fickle voter base. Kamala had good ideas, she had policies, she had been part of the successes made under Biden, but she put most of her focus into attacking Trump. It sounds like the argument being made is that uninformed voters weren't encouraged enough to vote and more liberal disenfranchised voters didn't turn out because they didn't like her policies. If this is the case which makes more sense:
1.) Making some policy changes so they can get people who don't historically come out to vote to do so or,
2.) Making some policy changes so that people who historically come out to vote will vote for them.
Someone threatening not to vote, when they historically don't anyways, isn't much of a threat or motivation.
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It is both.
A LOT of the US voters want exactly what Trump is saying. 77 million adults heard all of his fascist rants, and said "That's my guy!" Also the majority of people who voted Biden, then sat out this one, are older, white, men.
The DNC also aren't messaging to the people who don't like the GOP, they are messaging towards those who are statistically most likely to have voted for them in the past, and are most likely to vote in general. They also are watching what the GOP is saying, seeing the rabid fervor their bigotry elicits, and work elements of that into their messaging, because it's working for the GOP, thus it's working.
This meme makes me so mad. It completely misses the point that the government is supposed to be working for us. They are here to make our lives better from our collective power. The right to rule is derived from the will of the people. You are misunderstanding how government is supposed to function on an essential level.
Making it out to be the voters fault because we didn't like the shit sandwich that the were serving us is absolutely incorrect. Harris had zero progressive ideas in her platform. She ran on basically the same platform as the GOP.
As soon as you start putting the onus on the voter, you are putting our politicians up as the aristocracy. You make them into our ruling class. This is incorrect. They are supposed to execute the will of the people.
I'm just absolutely shocked that so many people are acting like the voters failed, when the DNC has done this to us so many times lately.
This meme makes me so mad.
people who didn't vote make me mad.
It completely misses the point that the government is supposed to be working for us.
sorry, I tried to include the idiosyncrasies of a democratic government but the meme genie told me I had to keep it under 255 characters.
They are here to make our lives better from our collective power. The right to rule is derived from the will of the people. You are misunderstanding how government is supposed to function on an essential level.
I think the only one here who has failed to grasp the function of a government is you. A government is meant to control the people. to ensure the safety and continued prosperity of society. has been that way for thousands of years.
Making it out to be the voters fault because we didn't like the shit sandwich that the were serving us is absolutely incorrect. Harris had zero progressive ideas in her platform. She ran on basically the same platform as the GOP.
yes because the voters are never at fault. just like in 2016, right?
As soon as you start putting the onus on the voter, you are putting our politicians up as the aristocracy. You make them into our ruling class. This is incorrect. They are supposed to execute the will of the people.
either your vote matters and you take responsibility for it, or it doesn't. pick one.
I'm just absolutely shocked that so many people are acting like the voters failed, when the DNC has done this to us so many times lately.
I'm done here, you clearly have no idea what the fuck you're taking about.
Acting like I'm the one that doesn't know what I'm talking about is laughable.
It sounds like you have very little knowledge of any political theory. The basis of democracy is that power HAS TO come from the will of the people. The people exist first, and then we make government. It's not like someone set up a tent in the middle of a field and people come up and apply to be governed.
If a party is losing elections like this, then it means that they are not representing the will of the people. That means that they are failing at their job, which is to represent and execute the will of the people.
Why else would we pay taxes and give a huge portion of our money to the government? Remember, taxes come from us. The US Government doesn't magically just have unlimited money. They get money from us, and they are supposed to spend how we tell them to.
You're talking like we have some sort of set ruling class, and all of us little peasants failed our lords and ladies because we didn't vote hard enough for them.
That's an extremely authoritarian view of government that borders on being pro aristocracy. Kind of like feudalism.
Acting fed up with me and like you're so much smarter than me that you can't even explain your position is such an amateur attempt at covering up your own lack of knowledge.
Do better.
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You need to convince those, that are not terminally online about politics, and doesn't know the concept of "lesser evil".
When the mass deportations -Trump’s cornerstone promise- are full throttle, please come back here and tell us some more about why Harris, a normal person, was the choice to be shunned as President.
Virtually every single demographic, including immigrants, shifted towards Trump this year. Harris, a normal person, was shunned because she was less effective at convincing people (even the very immigrants at risk of being deported) to vote for her than her opponent.
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"A jewish black trans woman would have won Alabama in a landslide, but only if she was a really outspoken socialist" - Half of Lemmy users
I think a lot of left-oriented people are in denial that Trump made no secret of who he was the past eight years, and Americans got exactly what a majority of them legitimately wanted. Trump voters know he is a bigot and that is why they chose him. There is no degree of populist social welfare rhetoric Kamala or the Democrats could have said that would have moved the needle when for most voters, electing a bigot was the priority over all other issues.
Some people are trying their best to avoid politics outside of election season, and a lot of them are taking them in good faith.
When I first voted for Fidesz in 2009 and 2010, I didn't know about the "Székház ügy" (Hall Controversy - Fidesz sold a hall given to them for crazy amounts of money, which they dumped into media to attack the MSZP government of 1994-1998), and my mother to this day does not want to acknowledge it. People just saw that the MSZP-SZDSZ didn't do a lot of good, tried to sell our hospitals to for-profit corporations, etc.
Most voters aren't politically savvy terminally online weirdos, but weirdos that want to hear a story, a narrative.
We need a left-wing populist narrative! Not economic jargon, and also not the kind of leftist rhetoric that terminally online tankies on lemmygrad and hexbear are spouting (most destructive thing that can happen to leftism), but someone who will translate it to the language of the common people.
I mean, nearly half the country just didn't vote. Had Kamala actually offered good policy it probably would've mobilized a lot more people. Voting against someone doesn't feel as good as voting for someone. Kamala never offered many reasons to vote for her. Trump just offered a lot of reasons to vote against him.
That was enough for me to vote against Trump. But then again I'm in a group that's in Republicans' cross hairs.
This "both sides are the same" bullshit took root too hard. And now, due to voter apathy, the biggest military in the world is about to be in the hands of an outright fascist dictatorship.
I feel like there's enough blame to go around. Fuck the Republicans for a laundry list of things. Fuck the Democrats for letting this happen. Fuck the non voters for their apathy. Fuck all the dipshits who voted for the orange fascist.