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On more than 30 occasions, the United Nations Assembly has discussed the blockade against Cuba, which costs the island 5 billion dollars annually, according to some estimates. Every year the resolution is proposed and the whole world, through the vote of the absolute majority of the member countries of the United Nations General Assembly, has condemned the imperialist attitude of the United States towards Cuba.

edit: result of the vote: https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/system/cache/media_attachments/files/113/398/372/180/881/996/original/82c4d1f509e933fa.jpg

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (9 children)

Blockading Cuba has never made sense. If communism is an inferior failed system that can't compete with the freedom of Capitalism (cue heavenly sunbeams and angel choirs) why not leave Cuba alone and let nature take its course?

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (15 children)

Why is it normalized that one country can block/embargo/complicate/whatever-you-want-to-call-it another country to the point of severely affecting the lives of millions of people .... for what? because one country disagrees with the politics of another country?

If countries were able to do that, there would be no trade anywhere in the world.

Yet it's been completely normalized for the past six decades between the US and Cuba.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Welcome to politics?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Just wait until China blockades Taiwan and uses the USAs blockade of Cuba as precedent

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The problem being that Taiwan is a critical part of the entire global economy. TSMC fabricates ~50% of all semiconductor products in the world, but critically >90% of all fabrication at 5nm or lower (basically everything with a fabrication process less than a decade old). They are the leading edge. If you want to make a modern CPU, TSMC is your foundry.

By threatening Taiwan, China is holding a gun to the head of the entire world. Loss of TSMC's fabrication would basically shut down the global computer industry.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You are just giving more reasons for China to do it.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Because the international order is based on economic and military might, not any sort of higher ideal or codified rules.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So jungle rules then ..... ooga booga ... just with better vocabulary.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Well... Yeah. Who do you think would enforce any "rules"? And how would they?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (16 children)

If only UN wasn't completely useless to the point of not doing anything

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (3 children)

So, UN would?

But then all the major powers woukd exit cuz this doesn't suit them, and the UN would be useless again.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (9 children)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

The US also has about 750 military bases (not including black sites) scattered across 80 countries around the world

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There is more countries with CVs than i thought. Also Brazil and Thailand? I wasn't aware they had any sizeable navy to begin with.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

The US military is in 75% of the countries on earth but it's definitely not the largest empire the world has ever seen * wink wink *

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Palestine and plenty of other countries, too. Mostly the ones that want a different economic system, afaict.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

It isn't that it's normalized. It is simply that no one can do anything about it. So, they voice their disagreement.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Countries have complicated trade for centuries. Free trade is a modern exception, not the historical rule.

And in principle, countries have as much right to restrict trade with Cuba as they do with Russia and Israel. It's the same principle that allows people to call for boycotts of Amazon and Starbucks. All of these things can affect the lives of millions, in an effort to bring about political change.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

We were in Cuba one year when they had the vote. I had never heard of it, but it was all over the news there so i thought it actually meant something.

[–] [email protected] 123 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Every year the resolution is proposed and the whole world, through the vote of the absolute majority of the member countries of the United Nations General Assembly, has condemned the imperialist attitude of the United States towards Cuba.

And just like every year, the vote will do nothing.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Because it’s Russia advocating to lift the embargo which was put in place because of the Cuban missle crisis right?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Since the 1960s, the United States has systematically punished the Cuban people through a stringent blockade on its economy for having declared and built a political and economic model different from the one advocated and directed by the United States.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

It's not about the economic model or the US wouldn't be buddies with Vietnam. This is about United Fruit (now Chiquita), this is about Bacardi, all expropriated without a dime of compensation, and rightfully so for using de facto slave labour under the watchful eye of US-backed dictators, administrating the island as a de facto colony.

The Cuban revolution wasn't socialist, it was one for independence. The guerillas, once in power, were eyeing vaguely DemSoc politics and a good relationship with the US. The US answered with the Bay of Pigs invasion etc, driving Cuba into the arms of the Soviet Union and acquiring an unhealthy habit of authoritarianism and non-industrialisation in the process, becoming dependent on the block overpaying for their sugar, them underpaying for oil, fertiliser, etc.

The difference to Vietnam? Vietnam was a French colony. The US got over the domino theory which made them wage war there, they never got over the expropriations and losing control over the colony, worst of all, driving it into the hands of their mortal enemy. To relent on the sanctions would mean reflecting on all that and I don't think the US is politically capable of admitting such a gigantic mistake, both humanitarian and strategic, to themselves.

In a parallel universe, with saner heads in Washington prevailing, Cuba would now be negotiating alongside Puerto Rico about the details of US statehood.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (7 children)

it'll add up to a hell of a lot of justified reparations when the US backs down.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Legalize the import of Cuban cigars, and I will personally bring Cuba back into an age of prosperity.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I quit smoking but I'd gladly have a puff.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

The thing I love about Cubans is the smell. The US is spoiled with a wonderful selection of great Nicaraguan and Dominican cigars that for all intents and purposes beat out Cubans. But Cuban cigars have a very particular smell that I can't get over.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

I've enjoyed really nice Dominican cigars, especially the chocolate and I forget what you can the greens but they are fabulous.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You can bring them back in your luggage - limit is maybe 100 cigars or $1000 worth. Something like that.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I'm 99% certain Trump administration put the kibosh on that. At least that was what I was told when I traveled out of country in 2023, and wanted to see if I could bring some back.

In 2016, the Obama administration eased some restrictions, allowing U.S. travelers to bring Cuban cigars into the country for personal use. However, this was short-lived. In 2020, the Trump administration re-imposed strict regulations, re-banning Cuban cigars—whether bought in Cuba or through third countries. Current Regulations:

As of now, it is illegal to import Cuban cigars into the U.S. This includes bringing cigars bought in other countries that originated from Cuba. Any attempt to bring Cuban cigars into the U.S. can result in serious legal consequences, including confiscation and potential fines.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Trump tried and failed as usual.

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