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[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 hours ago

insurance is whats insane nowadays. i was paying 600 a YEAR for full coverage on my truck until last year when they spiked it to 2100. dropped to just liability and that alone is 650 a year now

[–] [email protected] 22 points 9 hours ago (7 children)

Millions? I don't think so. There is no investment that would turn $30K or whatever into millions that was safe enough to work for the majority of people. But it would be a significant help.

That being said, for most people, the amount you'd spend to live in a place where a car isn't needed or constantly paying for ride share or taxis greatly exceeds the amount you'd save by not having a car for the vast majority of people, and that's not even getting into the ableism issue.

And sure we could get into buying a cheaper, used car or whatever, but in the long term the maintenance costs, having to buy another car sooner, and other financial risks to cars outside of warrantee over a lifetime will add up similarly unless you're really lucky or can repair your own cars.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago

That being said, for most people, the amount you’d spend to live in a place where a car isn’t needed or constantly paying for ride share or taxis greatly exceeds the amount you’d save by not having a car for the vast majority of people, and that’s not even getting into the ableism issue.

I disagree with everything else you say, as the other replies to you point out. But this is a really good point.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

$554 a month at 5% growth is $440k after 30 years. So yeah not millions.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 hours ago

S&P averaged about 10% over the last 30 years. That means it would be over 1.2 million.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

And sure we could get into buying a cheaper, used car or whatever, but in the long term the maintenance costs, having to buy another car sooner, and other financial risks to cars outside of warrantee over a lifetime will add up similarly unless you’re really lucky or can repair your own cars.

Buying a low-mileage used car and even paying for a shop to do the maintenance is almost always cheaper than buying something with $500+ monthly payments. I don't actually agree for the most part with Dave Ramsey (even about the entirety of this post)...but he's correct that it is cheaper.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Most Americans have less than $1,000 in savings. So any car for that amount is not going to survive long. So most Americans still get loans for used cars.

And with interest rates so high, a payment of $550 will only get you about $25K. That's enough for a decent new small sedan, but if you have kids (especially if 3 or more), that's probably the minimum needed to get a used minivan that will last a while.

Anything else is only going to last a few years at best before needing major repairs.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

I just did an autotrader search and in my (very unaffordable) area, there were lots of serviceable cars under 10k. If you live in a place with a garage you can even buy a used EV and eliminate whole categories of maintenance costs.

The whole point is to buy something that requires smaller or no monthly payments, and then bank the savings and eventually buy something better. "A couple of years" can do the trick in some cases.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 hours ago

Uhhh... I pay less than that per YEAR for insurance on two motorcycles. Fuck cars, indeed.

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