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Jill Stein Won’t Stop. No Matter Who Asks. (www.nytimes.com)

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While Ms. Stein condemns both “zombie political parties” as tools of Wall Street and war profiteers, her campaign has focused largely on hammering Ms. Harris, blaming the White House she serves for relentless violence in Gaza and Lebanon.

And Democrats, as never before, are focused on Ms. Stein.

The party has prepared a negative ad blitz for the election’s final weeks, its first-such effort ever directed at a third-party candidate. Fearful that Ms. Stein might divert critical votes in places like Michigan, Democrats are also pressing their case on billboards plastered recently across swing states:

“Jill Stein Helped Trump Once. Don’t Let Her Do It Again.”

She dismisses the “spoiler mythology” that has come to define her mainstream identity, noting — accurately enough — that some of her supporters would never back Ms. Harris anyway.

She says that Democrats would do well to look inward, disputing that she bears any responsibility for Mr. Trump’s fortunes, then or now.

“Those conversations never go anywhere,” Ms. Stein, 74, said in a wide-ranging interview.

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 days ago

I’m tired of hearing about Shit Stein every 4 years

[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Why should she? Her party represents different interests to the Democratic party. In a fair and just democracy she should be allowed to run for office to represent that platform. If the Democrats have an issue with that, then they should adopt some of those policies. For instance, one of her policies is an anti-genocide policy. This might seem a bit radical and extreme but it's apparently very popular. If the Democratic party stopped being pro-genocide then there would be less threat from Stein.

People really need to stop acting like the Green Party just came about in the last decade to spite the Democrats. If the Democrats had a decent platform they'd stop losing votes to them.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

For instance, one of her policies is an anti-genocide policy. This might seem a bit radical and extreme but it’s apparently very popular.

it saddens me greatly that the question of genocide in this overton window is not whether or not genocide should exist; but instead the question is how much genocide is acceptable and the only incorrect answer is "zero".

it makes me sadder still that social media is dominated by manufactured consent so thoroughly that pointing something like "genocide is bad" only brands you a radical; a malcontent; too idealistically optimistic; or simply ignored.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 days ago

It's because "the overton window" is liberal nonsense. Genocide has always been acceptable to the liberal ideological hegemony. It only ceases to be acceptable when it's an enemy that does it.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

In a fair and just democracy

America is not a democracy

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago

My point exactly

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago (4 children)

What even is her endgame?

[–] [email protected] -3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

To not have the kompromat that Putin is holding over her be released publicly?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This is an interesting take

[–] [email protected] -3 points 3 days ago (16 children)

I have no evidence to support it, besides her ties to the Kremlin that have already been widely reported on (https://duckduckgo.com/?q=jill+stein+russia).

GREEN Party = Getting Republicans Elected Every November

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

My take:

To demonstrate that there is a more leftist population in the US public than is regularly recognized and shift the entire discussion in that direction.

To create a strong alternative to the major pro-corporate parties that is more in line with the rest of the liberal parties around the world.

To oppose the highly organized far right.

No, I won't vote for her this year. But I can appreciate the above goals.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago

To beat the duopoly

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 days ago (12 children)

To draw votes away from the Democratic party nominee at the behest of her Russian donors. NBC News Link about the infamous dinner.

[+] [email protected] -7 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Stein has already been cleared of colluding with Russia. Your image is ten years old.

The reason you might not be aware of this is the /Politics mods banning people who debunk it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

You're right, it was 2015, but as a simple layman I was aware of Russian meddling by the time this dinner happened. So if Jill and the Green party weren't aware of how bad this would look, and how worthless an olive branch to Putin would be, then at the very least they're too incompetent to be worth a vote. Unfortunately I did not know about this gaffe by the time of the election and even voted for Stein in that election, which I still regret.