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13% of Democrats agree with Trump on that.

What the actual fuck?

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[–] [email protected] 82 points 1 month ago (7 children)

The US has a growing fascism problem

It does not go away with Trump. I wish democrats would address it instead of pointing at Trump like he's an aberration

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[–] [email protected] 112 points 1 month ago

Immigrants are the blood of the US. This fascist bullshit is the poison.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago (1 children)

1/3 of Americans are terrible people.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This is why GW Bush and Trump got elected. There is about 30% that will always vote for R.

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 month ago (2 children)

That's funny because we're almost all immigrants, so I guess we're all poison?

Ehh, then again there was that whole native genocide thing.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago (2 children)

No, no, no, not us. I'm talking about those bad immigrants. You know who I'm talking about .....

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Someone get the family guy skin color chart

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

Yeah, I guess in their minds it's preferable to entirely exterminate a local population than to assimilate with them

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Bet. So why don't all you palefaces go back to England, Ireland, Germany, Spain, France...

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Please no. We already have 20-30% of people voting for fascists in Germany. We dont need more

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So, you mean everyone except the native Americans should leave America? Just trying to understand clearly the implications of what you're suggesting :P

In all seriousness, after all this time I would bet most people couldn't trace a lineage to a single country now anyway.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago

They probably couldn't. And Europe being what it is, a bunch of them would have lineage going back to a country that no longer exists, i.e. if they were of any of the states that were ultimately absorbed into unified Germany in the 1800's.

It's all arbitrary. But we know damn well Trump and his goons don't mean "white" people when they say "immigrants."

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Worth noting that the ancient Greeks believed that democracy is impossible without an ethnically homogeneous population. Otherwise, they believed that there would be too many different competing intentions, that politicians would not have any clear direction and it would be very difficult to get anything important resolved. People love making emotional arguments regarding inclusivity, which is hard to reject without sounding boorish, but there are actual practical concerns with the situation.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I mean, I don't want to be too rude but look at the European democracies who are typically praised in contrast to the U.S. Their populations have been significantly more ethnically homogenous, and only recently have they begun to deal with significant immigrant populations of differently colored peoples. How have they done? Immediate rise of far-right groups and tons of anti-immigrant propoganda.

I'm not claiming the Greeks were right, I think they had a small-minded view of what diversity could bring them, but it is an interesting observation.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

On the other hand look at the US, which has been extremely successful as an ethnically diverse republic and in fact wouldn't be nearly as successful without that diversity. America has problems, but none of them are because there are a lot of different people there.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I mean, the massive number of racists who are currently trying to elect a fascist would disagree, and I think many minority groups would disagree that there haven't been problems in the very recent past.

Certainly, the fault lies in the racists, but we can't pretend that is not a problem directly caused by having an ethnically diverse country. It's one that we'll need to find a solution for, because otherwise we'll always have a group who is willing to burn democracy to the ground because they hate people who have a different skin color.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Yes, but they also thought that women were inferior to men and slavery was an awesome idea, so maybe they aren't the best people to look back on for opinions.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

and yet the entire enlightenment political infrastucture we have built is based on their ideas.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Nonsense. The Enlightenment was inspired by many ancient Greek and other philosophers, not just advocates of Athenian democracy.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 month ago
[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

That's why you consider the reasons presented by those who invented democracy, rather than simply accepting an idea based entirely on who presented it.

You don't have to answer me, but ask yourself if our current societies have too many competing ideals, that it's hard to get anything important done.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

They invented direct Athenian democracy.

The U.S. is the first constitutional republic. They are extremely different. This is like saying NASA engineers should consider why the Wright Brothers never left the atmosphere.

America's problems have nothing to do with what the Ancient Greeks believed.

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