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We are constantly told that solutions to some of the greatest challenges facing poor and working class people in the U.S. do not exist. Meanwhile, billions taxpayer dollars are being used to fund the genocide of Palestinians.

That very money could have ended homelessness in the United States.

Money for our needs, not the U.S.-Israeli war machine!

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

If there are no homeless, how will the corporations scare the middle class into wage-slave labor?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Imagine giving the DoD $800 billions in yearly budget while still has billions of surplus equipments.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

Why would you end homelessness though when you can simply criminalise it and send them to prison to work as slaves?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If you're in a poorly made boat that has a hole in it with two other people...

And you are all actively sinking in that faulty boat, about to die in the middle of the ocean...

And one of the people states they will make more holes so you all drown....

And the other wants to work to keep the boat floating enough to get to shore, but not to your ideal...

Who do you help in that moment, or do you fold your hands and sink on principle? And you understand that sinking is not a moral victory here, because you've effectively supported the person who wanted to make more holes and sink the boat.

If you don't get to shore, you won't live to attempt to sue that horrible boat company to hold them accountable and keep others from using their faulty boats. And if you don't help the person bailing out water, the person making more holes will kill you all with less effort.

The "people" above are to represent general philosophies of the two "sides" in this discussion, not insightful candidates. There is no option to truly stay neutral here, direct action or willful inaction, both have impacts that you are responsible for.

What do you do?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And you are all actively sinking in that faulty boat, about to die in the middle of the ocean...

And who does this represent in your scenario?

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This post, at this time, is very obviously pointed at influencing the US election. This analogy represents the entirety of the US population eligible to vote in that election and the two dominant political parties in the US as a country with two party politics - a flawed degradation of the system originally designed to be sure, which is a separate conversation you can have, but there is an objective truth that one of two parties will win this election. Period.

That objective truth acknowledged, there is no neutral or third option here, regardless of how hard some may try to convince themselves otherwise. You have no moral high ground in the middle or to the side, you'll either vote for assured destruction or you'll vote for a chance at stopping it. You missed your chance to fundamentally shift our political structure the 4 years, and 200+ years, prior. So now we come to the table as adults, get Harris in as the better option, and then as soon as she's sworn in and has the power to do so, we fill the streets in protest and demand the immediate end to this.

trump and his people have literally talked out loud about how great the "beachfront property" will be for Israel once they annihilate Gaza and the Palestinian people. There is no maturity in the false vitriol and attempts to solicit votes for trump/stein/no vote (which are all the same enthusiast vote for trump and for the assured destruction of every last Palestinian person.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

This post, at this time, is very obviously pointed at influencing the US election.

Criticizing a genocide doesn't automatically mean someone's trying to influence an election, especially considering that it been constantly criticized for over a year.

trump and his people have literally talked out loud about how great the "beachfront property" will be for Israel once they annihilate Gaza and the Palestinian people.

If both political parties geopolitical goals align with Israel, what exactly leads you to believe this is meant to influence the election? It's not telling you to vote for stien, or trump.

Maybe if people didn't go out of their ways to shield any level of criticism of their representatives we might have a more functional democracy, and maybe there would be less kids dying in Gaza.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago

This implies that they care about the homeless issue. 23 billion is a rounding error in the budget. They just don't want to fix it.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 month ago (2 children)

For those with a skeptical nature, I hunted down these numbers.

The US has spent ~$18B on direct military aid to Israel since October 7, 2023. They've also spent ~$5B for operations in the region, mostly in the Red Sea and Yemen.

HUD does not provide numbers to "end homelessness", they report on the state of homelessness including an estimated census of the homeless.

Some annalists have taken these numbers and multiplied them by the cost to imprison someone, or the average cost of American housing. These estimates come out to $11-30B.

So the numbers check out. The only fault I could find with this meme's claims is that they are slightly misleading in suggesting $20B could "end homelessness" without the caveat that that's only for one year.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Of course the numbers are good.

My bullshit detector is going off for a different reason. This is an arbitrary short term vs long term comparison. The money that went to Israel wasn't going to HUD either way. As someone correctly pointed out, $20B is a rounding error here.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (2 children)

20 billion could go a long way to curbing homelessness.

20 billion invested in high density, low rent housing units could make housing more accessible to millions of people, including the homeless.

Remember, not all homeless people are completely jobless. Many are couch surfing or sleeping in their cars, have stables jobs, and just can’t afford rent where their job is. An apartment they can afford could do a lot for these people.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

You are correct. I like to focus instead on those lacking shelter who've been completely alienated from society and cannot be 're-rehabilitated'. These are the people who are erased when we speak about how lifestyle or work ethic "redeem" those in extreme poverty.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Lack of housing really isn't the root cause of the homeless epidemic. That money would need to go to revamping the mental health services Reagan destroyed to help the chronically homeless.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Housing First is the correct way to reduce homelessness. The main cause of homelessness is being priced out of the housing market, because the vast majority of housing in America is entirely privatized. Plus most public housing in America is not done nor funded well, until our European counterparts.

The problem in America is the housing market is nearly entirely private, zoning laws that prevent dense housing from being built, and the lack of public funded (nice) public housing. Housing is first and foremost an investment here, not a fundamental right to shelter like it should be.

Drug addiction is a symptom of late-stage homelessness, not a cause. The cause is almost always the private housing market pricing people out of affording even rent.

Numerous studies show that housing first participants experience higher levels of housing retention and use fewer emergency and criminal justice services, which produces cost savings in emergency department use, inpatient hospitalizations, and criminal justice system use.

https://www.pdx.edu/homelessness/housing-first

This has worked famously in Finland

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Lack of affordable housing is certainly an issue.

When rent is over half of your budget, how do you keep a roof over your head when an emergency comes up.

We need mental health care too, but we also need to correct the housing market in general. Building lots of cheap housing is still a good option.

The new housing development near me is trying to sell brownstones for half a million, and the new condos are going for 250K. They’re all nearly empty because very few can afford them. So we either need higher wages, or actually affordable housing. Ideally we’d get both, it’s not like we don’t have the money to try multiple solutions.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago

There are two demographics of homeless people. The first is people who are down on their luck and just need some help to get back on their feet. Those are not the people being talked about when the homelessness epidemic is being discussed.

The homeless epidemic is largely people who are mentally ill, drug addicts, or both.

These people need help, but giving them cheap housing isn't going to be the help that they really need, and will just end up with them being back on the street.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Wages have not kept up with everything else.

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