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‘They will vote against Harris’: Arab Americans in Michigan desert Democrats over Gaza
(www.theguardian.com)
"Thank you for your vote. Now leave this country."
this post was submitted on 16 Oct 2024
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I get not voting for Harris. Voting for Trump, though? That's contemptible.
"Yeah you know she's proposed a two state solution but Trump has told Israel to finish the job and threatened to deport protestors, so that makes Kamala a really, really bad option."
Some sort of logic like that I imagine.
Do they stupidly think trump will be better?
No, I doubt that they're stupid. They don't think that they other guy will be better. However, I also doubt that Sophie Scholl thought that her death alone would stop the Holocaust. Sometimes there's a moral line that you just can't cross.
I wish Harris was coming out more strongly, or at all really, against Israel's genocide. I can't imagine Trump will do anything substantial to reduce the conflict, certainly not more than Harris will.
I do not understand the Sophie Scholl analogy. Sophie distributed anti-war leaflets, among other things. She did not advocate voting for another party that would likely just continue the war, while also removing other freedoms, into power.
The connection that I have in mind is, "doing what's moral, even if it might harm yourself."
I do not understand how supporting Trump will result in a better outcome in Gaza 🤷 If anything, it seems like the opposite is likely.
Voting for trump (or proxy voting for him) is crossing a moral line.
And brings them further from their goal.
Rage voting doesn’t fix anything. It stands to make it worse.
I can’t understand some people’s drive to vote in a tyrant because they’re annoyed by a centrist.
The hitch is that other people do what's right according to their own moral reckoning, whether you understand it or not.
Or, as we call it, cutting off the nose to spite the face.
As long as they own the side effects, then cool.
I don’t think voting for Trump will help the Palestinians, when he says things like,
“you’ve got to have victory. You have to have a victory, and it’s taking a long time." Trump said that Israel must "finish what they started, and they’ve got to finish it fast, and we have to get on with life."
Wouldn’t a more effective plan be to vote her in and then have protests, letter writing, strikes, media campaign, etc., to change U.S. policy?
Because with Trump there is no negotiation unless they can buy him, and even that’s not a guarantee.
You have to understand that most Arab Americans in Michigan are lower 'c' conservative and frustrated the Republicans won't accept them. Unless the Dems completely abandon Israel to total destruction, they'll threaten to vote R.
If that’s true, it’s a terribly shortsighted strategy.
Exactly