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TLDR:
Windows 11 v24H2 and beyond will have Recall installed on every system. Attempting to remove Recall will now break some file explorer features such as tabs.

YT Video (5min)

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[–] [email protected] 74 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (9 children)

Windows Debloat Tool:

https://github.com/LeDragoX/Win-Debloat-Tools

I run this on any new Win install. I also suggest Portmaster so you know where your data is going (I use it on Linux too!)

https://safing.io/

However, if you can, it is really worth switching to Linux. Linux is built as a tool by the people using the tool. Windows is making a product. Enough said.

If people would like to "try Linux before you buy," check out DistroSea. It spins up a virtual machine of whatever distro and flavour you choose to try.

https://distrosea.com/

There are a surprising and growing number of Linux compatible tools. Software is usually why people have a hard time switching. If you're dependent on Photoshop/Adobe, check out:

https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve

Gamers should check out:

https://www.protondb.com/

This site shows how well games run on Proton (compatibility tool) and people offer solutions to get them running if there's any snags.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago

As much as I would love this to kick MS in the backside, it won’t. The public at large has no idea what this is or why it’s bad and evil. They will buy a computer, it will come with Windows, and they’ll use it like they always have. Companies and Govts will gripe initially, but give in because their ancient VB enterprise apps only run on Windows.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago (4 children)

So, I just bought a new laptop. It came with Windows 11. But anyways, I'm writing this comment from a freshly installed Bazzite Linux OS.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Judging by the comments in this thread this will be the one defining mistake that kills Microsoft.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Nah, Lemmy is not really representative of the wider Windows userbase. The willingness to switch away from Windows is definitely going to be far higher in those who were willing to switch away from Reddit.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 months ago (4 children)

So.. how does this exist in corporate environments where PCI DSS is necessary? Is the government also going to have to deal with fallout from this?

I wonder if there will ever be a point where legislation dictates features from an os vendor.. we lost control of our hardware when they started forcing updates. I'm sure someone will hack a DLL or something to allow explorer to run but kill this component... But should we really need to hack our systems to protect ourselves from spying?

Inb4 Linux - I ran Slackware in the early 90s, and my server still runs a deb based distro.. but when I want to play Forza, I'm pretty limited with my choices, etc.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Microsoft: We're going to arbitrarily require TPM and SecureBoot and say that makes Windows 11 more secure even though that's a feature of your motherboard, not our operating system.

Also Microsoft: In Windows 11 the file explorer program depends on a program that periodically sends us screenshots of your screen.

So secure!

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I've been wondering this too. Will there be a way for company policy admins to somehow remove this fully? I work in an industry that deals with very sensitive and private information - no way in hell this would ever even remotely be allowed or pass any audits. Even just existing but being disabled could be problematic.

But big companies aside, how will this impact small companies who have no real in house IT? The potential for it to be capturing and storing stuff like, as you say anything required by PCI compliance, could turn into a nightmare. We also know this will inevitably be hacked or used by spyware somehow, someday, too no matter how secure they say it may be. So now a bad actor can recall an entire day work and data capture from a worker?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

Wondering the same here. I work in an extremely regulated industry as well. We have MS as a strategic partner but haven't even deployed win 11 yet.
That said we have a deal to use co-pilot and also chatGPT. Both in a unique version that is compliant with company policies. Co-pilot integration into teams is not quite recall level but similar, think video transcripts, meeting and chat summaries, etc. I have no clue how this works practically but I assume there are some strict contracts regarding training data and data usage in place.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

/s just in case

[–] [email protected] 52 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (14 children)

For years... well pretty much since I had a PC, I had a Windows partition. Why? Well because I (sadly) paid for the damn thing (damn OEM deals). Plus, I admit, sometimes they were things that only ran on Windows.

For few years now though, everything, literally, from the latest tech gadget to playing games to VR, works on Linux.

Few weeks ago I deleted the Windows partition. I didn't have to. I didn't boot on it for months. It didn't affect me.

Still, I now feel ... safer, more relaxed, coherent.

When I see shit like that, I feel even better!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

The best windows debloater is delete system32 and install Linux,.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Even Windows exes work on Linux now. It took me some time and learning but I got Wine to work with some program from my walkie talkie's manufacturer and it involves serial programming over USB.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (5 children)

VR works on Linux? Thru Steamvr?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Depends on the headset, they don't all work on Linux unfortunately.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

It was mostly working 2 years ago when I tried it last. I just had some weird frame dropping issues at the time that I can only imagine were fixed by now. This post is making me want to try VR again on my linux install

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