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Kamala Harris’s running mate urges popular vote system but campaign says issue is not part of Democrats’ agenda

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

This could actually open up the space for third parties. Just need to remove winner-takes-all.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I'm willing to switch to an electoral trial by bake off.

Here is the thing that scares me. If Republicans make every election cycle this shitty and horrible to witness over and over again I'm going to be so fucking sick of elections in less than a decade.

This exercise of over and over again deteriorating the experience of elections will wear down a part of the populace into saying "FINE! Fuck elections! Go get a king so that I don't have to listen to hateful bilious invective for 9 months out of the year."

I can't be the only one in fear of that type of fatigue to fascism.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You need 2/3rds majority to pass the constitutional amendment required to make this happen, so as long as Republicans exist this isn't going to ever be the case. It means they'll never win another election.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

Not just that, you then need 3/4 of states to sign off on an amendment before it takes effect. More than 1/4 of states benefit from the electoral college, which makes it a hard sell.

There's also that interstate compact (which if it ever takes effect will be challenged in court on grounds that interstate compacts are supposed to be approved by Congress), which is also highly unlikely to take effect for the same reason - there aren't 270 electoral votes worth of states that are either big enough that the electoral college hurts them or willing to hitch themselves so going along with whatever the two or three largest states want.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

He is absolutely right that it should be scrapped, or failing that, every eligible voter in every state is automatically enrolled in the electoral college and their ballot is also their vote cast in the college, i.e. render the whole thing a technical irrelevance. It shouldn't even be seen as a political thing. Votes in deep red states are just as disenfranchised as those in deep blue states. Voting Republican in California or New York is as disenfranchising as voting Democrat in Texas. So if democracy is the intent, then it should be scrapped and not left to the usual "swing state" BS.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Ah, but that is the thing - democracy is not the intent. It may be the intent of some, but it is not the intent of the system as a whole.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Yes, the United States is a representative republic, and not technically a democracy.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

Maybe we can all move to one of these fun states for a month so we can count as a full human being and not as a fraction of one just because we live in a urban area? Plus fuck the stupid fucking electoral college. I got a really good way to not fuck around. It's called counting. They teach that shit in grade school. Here's how it works, 1 is for 1, 2 is for 2 things, and so on. Eventually let's say you counted 20 electoral votes... okay then you get 20 electoral votes. No need to have some bag of retards who will supposedly account for 20 votes but then they change their minds at the last moment due to a large sum of money given to them accidentally. Don't need that shit if all they do is dilute our voice. We can do that on our own.

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