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Neowin noticed that Microsoft has updated a help document about what it means if you’re using an unsupported version of Windows (spoiler alert: if you’re online at all, it’s a huge security risk), which currently means PCs running Windows 8.1 (or 8) and Windows 7, or earlier.

It’s worth noting, however, that this will also be the case for Windows 10 devices in a year’s time if their owners don’t take any action, as the end of support rolls around for that OS in October 2025.

Microsoft’s article takes the form of a short discussion followed by a FAQ, and the main update applied to the document pertains to the options for staying supported with Windows, with a new choice added here: ‘Recommended: New PC with Windows 11.’

So, this is Microsoft’s primary recommendation if your unsupported PC isn’t up to scratch, hardware-wise, for Windows 11 – get a new computer.

Given that, it’d be nice to see Microsoft working towards a solution in respect of somewhat newer PCs, which goes somewhere down the path of tackling some of the alarming stats we’ve heard about the number of Windows 10 machines heading to landfill in the future. This is a potential environmental disaster that could see hundreds of millions of PCs lumped unceremoniously on the scrapheap.

And ever since those concerns have been raised, we haven’t heard anything from Microsoft as to how they might be mitigated. What Windows 10 users (who can’t, or won’t, upgrade) can do is pay for extended support beyond October 2025 – but that could turn out to be an expensive way to go, particularly beyond the first year if Microsoft’s previous pricing in these schemes is anything to go by.

Logically, then, Microsoft needs to be looking at a way of keeping Windows 10 alive – for those totally blocked by Windows 11’s more demanding requirements on the security front and elsewhere – which works out to be way more cost-friendly for users, in an effort to save what might be a much heavier price to pay for the planet. In short, ‘buy a new PC’ will soon not be the answer we need frontloaded here, and pushing folks to make a purchase of a new computer is already a very dubious first port of call given what we’re facing down the road.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Right now we’re releasing Windows 10, and because Windows 10 is the last version of Windows, we’re all still working on Windows 10.

It's all about Windows as a service

Windows isn't dead, but the idea of version numbers could be

Recent comments at Ignite about Windows 10 are reflective of the way Windows will be delivered as a service bringing new innovations and updates in an ongoing manner, with continuous value for our consumer and business customers

https://www.theverge.com/2015/5/7/8568473/windows-10-last-version-of-windows

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[–] [email protected] 113 points 2 months ago (4 children)

"Use linux instead".

Oh okay, thanks for the awesome suggestion Microsoft.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Home labs everywhere will soon have super cheap hardware options from PCs that can’t update to Windows 11 but are capable of running multiple virtual machines (like windows 11).

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I will be waiting for cheap perfectly in good shape PC thrown out due to the upgrade on eBay.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

There is now a workaround for Windows 11's TPM 2.0 requirement built straight into Rufus.

You can just check the box and it will put the necessary code to circumvent the requirement on the bootable USB.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Machines that can't run Win11 aren't immediately obsolete. They can run earlier windows (even though support has ended or will eventually end), and Linux.

And while I sound like I'm defending Microsoft, this is no different than Apple not supporting older Intel chips on their new OS's. The big complaint here is the idea that all these unsupported machines are automatically destined for the landfill which I strongly believe is not correct.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago (4 children)

I'm literally making lists this past month for all our clients to tell em the hundreds of computers they need to dispose of because of compliance issues with their 7th Gen PCs. Hundreds of PC's will be trashed all because windows garbage bullshit.

They shouldn't goto the trash but it's not our call. Companies won't repurpose them, won't sell em as it's too time consuming. So garbage they go. It's just the path of least resistance.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago (3 children)

There are a few fundamental differences here.

One: the existing hardware isn't lacking anything functional that the user requires. While it may be more secure implemented with TPM 2.0 its far from a hard requirement. After all bitlocker works on 10. The fact that you can presently work around it suggests the limitation is imposed from on high not a hardware requirement.

Two: The hardware isn't all that old. General duty cycle on a phone is around 3 years, about 6 years on a PC. Apple has dropped support for 6 year old phones and 10 year old PC. Especially because intel continues to manufacturer a given CPU long after launch and OEMs continue to integrate them people are going to find machines that they bought new off the shelf within the last 3 years unsupported which unlike a 10 year old Mac feels like a rug pull.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago

Exactly this. It's a completely arbitrary rug-pull made especially repugnant by the fact you can circumvent it quite easily with basically no loss of functionality.

While modding Win11 is a perfectly legit option for home users, it's not for businesses - as such many, many business-spec computers will be "obsolete" once security updates for Win10 end.

Best you can hope for is that these computers pour into liquidation markets giving people the chance to buy decent quality PCs for cheap - but more likely they'll become e-waste

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 2 months ago (4 children)

I have the opposite opinion .... I have one system of mine that has Win10 because I need it for one piece of software ..... and I absolutely do not want to upgrade to 11 even though I get almost daily reminders that I can.

Once I stop using the software I have for Win10 .... I'm deleting the OS and installing Linux

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago (4 children)

The LTSC for Windows 10 should be up to date until 2032, just in case you do need it for the software.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago

Thanks Microsoft. I am going to have to upgrade my computer now. However, Windows isn't being upgraded to 11 when it it comes to this.

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