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This is about the most recent version of LibreOffice on Windows 10. I can't speak for other versions.

My daughter worked hard on her social studies essay. I type things in for her because she’s a really bad typist, but she tells me what to write… but I didn’t remember to manually save her social studies essay yesterday, and for some reason the ThinkPad rebooted, LibreOffice crashed and we lost the whole thing... because autosave was not automatically on when I installed it.

No, recovery didn't work. We just got a blank file.

I rewrote it for her based on the information we had and what I remembered and tried to make it sound like what a 13-year-old would write because it was basically my fault and she did do the work. I did have her sit with me as I wrote it in case she didn’t like something I wrote, but it was sort of cheating. I'm okay with that cheating since I know she worked hard on it.

First, though, I went into the settings and turned on autosave.

I like LibreOffice, but why the hell is that not on automatically? Honestly, I don't really understand why someone wouldn't want their documents autosaved, but I'm pretty sure most people would want that.

This isn't fucking 1993. I shouldn't have to remember to save a document anymore and it shouldn't be lost forever because of it.

Like I said, I like LibreOffice. I don't really want to trust documents to Microsoft or Google. But this was really annoying.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

That could be a great learning experience. If it's an important document not only do I save regularily, I also create copies of the file at regular intervals.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Jesus never loses any data.

Because Jesus saves.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I guess it's about what one's used to. I'd be pretty annoyed if it started overwriting my documents when I when I do not explicitly tell it to do that.

I copy something from the document, maybe hit cut instead of copy. Now it's gone from the original.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'm not sure what you mean by overwriting. With something like Office365 or Google Docs, it saves each time you type or delete a character. I don't see any reason why that couldn't be the same with FOSS software.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Overwrinting as saving the (unwanted) changes over the file.

I know the workflow on these collaborative online tools is like that. I also don't see a reason why an offline tool can't be like that, but I think turning it on by default would cause more bad surprises for people who don't expect it to do things unannounced and without asking.

I guess this is something the program could ask on initial startup and make the editor UI very clear on what the state is.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Learning how to properly save and backup is the more important lesson anyway.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

This is why I rather use something like Google docs, even though I’m not a fan of Google, it saves automatically and has a version history I can revert to.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

I love that there are still kids learning this hard lesson in the year 2024.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You lost it because you didn't save. You are a parent, it's time to take responsibility for your mistakes. Don't blame LO as if you were 13 y/o.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

From my original post:

it was basically my fault

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

From your original title:

because LibreOffice doesn't have autosave on automatically

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yes? And it was my fault for not saving because of that.

I'm not sure why you saw me explicitly saying it's my fault and are trying to tell me that's not what I said, but it's not a very good form of gaslighting.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Lol, you wrote in the title that you blame LibreOffice. I wrote that you shouldn't blame LibreOffice. Now you're blaming me for gaslighting. I can't believe I'm talking to an adult.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Insulting me will not change the fact that I admitted it was my fault no matter how hard you try to convince me I didn't.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Man, I couldn't care less about you. I read the title where you blamed LO, and I left the comment That's it. Stop bitching over nothing.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

If you don't care about me, maybe don't keep insisting I didn't say something I very clearly said. I'm not forcing you to continue to insist it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

Bad UX design is pretty ingrained in many FOSS projects unfortunately.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

Never rely on autosaves for anything, ever.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Even if its on by default, first thing you should do when installing or first using it is adjust the settings imo. How often is still a matter of personal choice. And other settings are as well. Granted, I get I'm probably far from the average given how much I like to tinker with settings and customizing toolbars, etc. Still agree it should be on by default along with some basic version history to undo unwanted autosaves.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Or have a VCS by default.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

No Save no pity

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