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Clearly, Google is serious about trying to oust ad blockers from its browser, or at least those extensions with fuller (V2) levels of functionality. One of the crucial twists with V3 is that it prevents the use of remotely hosted code – as a security measure – but this also means ad blockers can’t update their filter lists without going through Google’s review process. What does that mean? Way slower updates for said filters, which hampers the ability of the ad-blocking extension to keep up with the necessary changes to stay effective.

(This isn’t just about browsers, either, as the war on advert dodgers extends to YouTube, too, as we’ve seen in recent months).

At any rate, Google is playing with fire here somewhat – or Firefox, perhaps we should say – as this may be the shove some folks need to get them considering another of the best web browsers out there aside from Chrome. Mozilla, the maker of Firefox, has vowed to maintain support for V2 extensions, while introducing support for V3 alongside to give folks a choice (now there’s a radical idea).

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[–] [email protected] 84 points 2 months ago (4 children)

I remember the internet before Google, and how game changing it was to have all of the internet indexed in one place (even if that wasn’t actually quite true back then). If you had asked me 15, 10, even 5 years ago if I would be cheering its downfall and yearning for a return to a simpler, far less centralized internet, I would have called you crazy. And yet here we are.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

So glad I peaced out on Chrome in like 2016 over the ugly curved tabs

[–] [email protected] 97 points 2 months ago (9 children)

There's no need to wait. Just switch to Firefox now. All the cool kids have already done it.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Well, looks like then I might have to start shutting down my use of Chrome.

I used to be fine with adverts, not a big deal. Until they became insanely intrusive. Noticed that YouTube recently stopped to even show the countdown to skip or the length of the actual ad on some devices/apps, so it's always guesswork when you can actually skip or how long it would run after the skip becomes available. And the amount of ads going in videos is getting disgusting as well, I know it's partly up to the creators, but fucking hell I often get ads like not even a minute into the video already, often running longer than the time I've spent actually watching the video.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Wasn't there just an article about how Mozilla is claiming ublock origin shouldn't be supported anymore and another one claiming they're starting a focus on ads?

I feel like we're entering a really shitty time for the Internet... Tie that in with Microsucks Recall feature and computing in general is going to suck...

I don't want to go touch grass!!

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

In fact, uBlock Origin is one of the officially recommended extensions by Mozilla

uBO Lite was incorrectly flagged as violating policy by someone at Mozilla, but rather than appeal that decision in any capacity at all, the developer just removed the add-on entirely without responding to Mozilla. The original decision was almost certainly just an error.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The closest I can find is

https://www.ghacks.net/2024/10/01/mozillas-massive-lapse-in-judgement-causes-clash-with-ublock-origin-developer/

Which is only the "lite" version (which really has no reason to be used in firefox) and was likely based on an improper scan. Which happens constantly and is usually an email and a few days of waiting rather than immediately going to the press.

If you can find something about Mozilla actually being anti-adblock or disabling manifest v2 that would be incredibly useful. But maybe be aware of what is going on before vaguely making major claims?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

IIRC Mozilla doubled down on their v2 support when Chrome announced the shift to v3. But then the Chrome monopoly judgment came down and with it a lot of speculation on Google dropping their funding of Mozilla, so maybe Mozilla could be changing its tune to either protect or find a replacement for that funding? Nothing of substance is happening yet, it's still all speculation, but I do hope nothing like that does happen.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (12 children)

The lack of HVEC/h.265 support is kind of a deal breaker in firefox (windows nightly builds don't count as done). I need it to view h.265 security cameras and the occasional movie streamed via browser.

Edit: For those suggesting multiple browsers I could just use Edge if I wanted to.. still better compatibility as it is essentially chromium.

I have a list of other things that don’t work reliably in Firefox such as various video conferencing tools so no, I am not going to switch to Firefox as my primary browser again anytime soon.

I was a Firefox user for many years but there are too many daily things I use now that prevent me from using it as a primary browser for work and causal use.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Can’t you just use chrome for the camera feeds and Firefox (or something else) for everything else?

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago (7 children)

What's a good YouTube downloader these days?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

A great privacy focused client for YouTube is FreeTube. Uses a native API or Invidious for playback, and you can download and share videos from it. Doesn't give any identifying info to Google/YouTube and I've never once dealt with an ad. For mobile, Grayjay and NewPipe are similar apps.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

On Android you can use Seal

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 months ago

yt-dlp is the gold standard. Not only for YouTube either. Check out the man page, the amount of shit it can do is insane.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

if youre just looking for a downloader website with zero setup of your own there's cobalt

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 months ago (2 children)

yt-dlp is what i normally use, tho its only got a command line interface. I think someone's made a GUI for it, but I've never tried it.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

yt-dlp continues to be the best option for me.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Screen capture while the video is running, like the VCR days of yore

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

Nah, man. I point a Betamax camcorder on a tripod at my 4K, 16bpp graphics workstation monitor to make sure I really capture all those pixels.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Doesn't uBlock Origin already have a Manifest V3 version of the extension?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

Yes, though the devs don’t even like it

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

Yes, but capabilities are reduced.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 2 months ago

That's uBlock Origin Lite, which the developer already stated is grossly inadequate for ad blocking.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago

uBO Lite.

Not my jam, lacks the power of the original.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 months ago

thr manifest v3 version is basically ublock origin lite, whoch has extremely limited control of what you can and cant do.

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