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[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 months ago

Because of propaganda, people find it easier to imagine the end of the world before the end of capitalism. Just the same, theres lots of commenters here that could imagine the end of the internet before they imagine the end of advertising on the internet.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

Oh you mean one of the only two reasons I use this fucking thing? Ad blocking and privacy?

You're shitting on both. That's like... Idk, Craftsman making tools out of plastic and removing the lifetime warranty... Wtf do I even need you for then?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Well, Thunderbird gives me hope.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago

Burn the phoenix again.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 months ago

This feels like the turning point for Firefox that we all feared would come. They've now switched to outright gas lighting their users. They're trying to convince us that if they take a stab at doing ads the right way, that we can have a web filled with tolerable ads that work for both the user and the business.

Ads and user data collection are the worst part of the internet. Nothing has ever gotten better because of them. And there's already far too much focus in this area. Mozilla just wants to be another exploiter so that they can have a piece of the stolen value pie.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

rockbottom: NOBODY wants to see the ads you throw in our faces. doesnt matter that, as you claim, those ad views pay you for your content. there is no good way to make those ads palatable.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

69% of the world population doesn't use ad blockers. Google made their billions from people clicking on ads.

Not only are we technical folks (only 5% of the population not their target audience, it seems most people don't care enough about ads to ever try to stop them... at all.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 4 months ago (2 children)

It is time to fork Firefox. Mozilla has bern hijacked by people who don't care about its vision.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago (2 children)

It’s already been done, LibreWolf is what Firefox originally set out to be.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

I don't see how they think it's a good move. I'm not speaking about people being upset. Most of the Firefox users are either people having at least some tech knowledge or people which use it because of a person with some tech knowledge.

And most of these people use an ad-blocker, know how to install a fork and so on. So, from the beginning, I don't know who think it's a good idea other than to kill Firefox.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (6 children)

And, for the foreseeable future at least, advertising is a key commercial engine of the internet, and the most efficient way to ensure the majority of content remains free and accessible to as many people as possible.

I'm afraid they aren't wrong. The majority of people aren't going to pay for access to random blogs etc. So we'd end up with only the big players having usable sites.

People kick off about ads but rarely suggest an alternative to funding the internet.

Back in the day ads were targeted based on the website's target audience not the user's personal data. It works fine but is less effective. Don't see why they couldn't go that way.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

You posted this on Lemmy.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I don't believe a web browser should be designed specifically for one business model, period.

There are plenty of free sites. Truly free, with no ads.

There are plenty of paid sites, supported by subscribers.

There are plenty of sites funded by educational institutions, nonprofits, or similar.

There used to be plenty of sites that were supported by non-invasive ads.

I don't give a damn if everyone uses Facebook and Google. That doesn't mean we need to cater to their business model at the technical level.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That doesn't mean we need to cater to their business model at the technical level.

From what I have seen, it does... if you want to have a popular site that stays running well, and don't charge your users for access.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (6 children)

That's a problem for site operators, not for browser developers.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago

More effective is a massive understatement. Now they can precisely measure effectiveness and adjust their strategy in real time to maximize output. They have increased effective effectiveness several fold. The cat is out of the bag, even if we try to roll this back the googles of the world know the data is there and can’t not harvest it. Our best strategy has to combine regulation and monopoly busting, break these companies into smaller ones that have less power to comb through big data.

For a good read on this, check out The Age of Surveillance Capitalism by Shoshana Zuniga.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (5 children)

Internet was fine in the early 2000s before the rise of social media platforms resulted in surveillance advertisement complex.

It was a different place, but worked ok.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Wow, utterly shocked that a company with a shit CEO that takes most of its money from Google would have these viewpoints.

I'm sure it is completely coincidental that ublock is about to die as well.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm sure it is completely coincidental that ublock is about to die as well.

wtf are you talking about?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Not in Firefox specifically, but many chromium based browsers are about to lose access to the original ublock. I've been planning on switching to Firefox when this goes through for a while now.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago

I think the bigger issue is them potentially losing their Google income.

They've failed to diversify their income with a bunch of failed subscription services, Google is in hot waters because of anti-competitive behaviour; they're going to need something.

Which isn't to say I like it. But "this is happening because they take Google money" is parroted beneath every slightly negative thing Mozilla does.

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