This author has big Dr. Strangelove energy.
He can't seem to wait for another big war to start.
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Something Cohen doesn't address is what getting the U.S. directly involved in a war with Iran would look like so close to Election Day in the U.S. It could hurt Harris' chance for victory, and I would argue that keeping Trump out of the White House is far more important than taking advantage of a weak moment to hamstring Iran's nuclear program.
However, I do have to say I agree that it would be great if we could somehow deal a heavy blow to Iran that cripples it further both militarily and economically. The article mentions American refueling aircraft improving the strike distance of Israeli attack fighters, which seems like an indirect way to get involved. I'm wondering if American intelligence agencies can cooperate with Mossad to successfully cripple Iran's nuclear program, but they're likely already sharing intel on that front.
At the end of the day, it's imperative the U.S. doesn't get directly involved. I personally would like to see the U.S. give Israel fewer blank checks in the form of raw arms for Netanyahu to use on hospitals and refugee camps, but we should still endeavor to find ways to help Israel hit strictly military and terrorist targets. Destroying Hamas and Hezbollah, and disarming Iran is in the interest of peace in the entire region.
I worked with someone who worked in intelligence for 30-ish years. from discussions they and I had you're absolutely spot on. in-fact they warned me that once things in Israel begin to heat up prepare for a war to accelerate with Russia.
this new development isn't surprising and I'm sure there are already gears in motion to reduce impacts on the election.
it's funny because it's clearly the Iranian government's goal to influence the American election because it's all they've been doing for the past six months.
this can only mean one thing, the axis of power that is attempting to drag the west into a war does not want Harris in office. this only makes me vote for her even more.
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Objective 1: Stay the fuck out of it.
Objective 2: Stay the fuck out of it.
Objective 3: Stay the fuck out of it.
Objective 4: Stay the fuck out of it.
US Government response: "unfortunately we weren't able to achieve any of our stated objectives. We promise we didn't try to at all. The following is unrelated I promise, but Congress is meeting to give Bibi $69420Ungabijillion for self defense and we're sending every troop, drone, and warship we have to Iran."
The fun problem with isolationism is it just allows problems to fester; then you have something much worse to deal with later. You may want to ignore the world, but the world won't ignore you.
Edit: An Iranian proxy has been shooting civilian shipping and civilian crews from all countries for the last year. There are problems one cannot simply ignore.
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So umm, Iran's leadership won't stop nuclear weapons development. It can't stop. Therefore to stop Iran from getting nuclear weapons, it means that the US has to help remove Iran's leadership. Now why would this turn out any better than any of the previous times they've done this, including in Iran?
They can absolutely stop; they just choose not to. And hamstringing their attempts to develop their nuclear program is a far better option than trying to topple their government in terms of maintaining stability in the region. Toppling the Iranian government would make every other Arab nation skittish and potentially be a rallying cry for them. Keeping their military options limited is far less incendiary.
Given what we've seen over the last little while, do you think Israel won't be able and willing to topple the regime if they don't have a lethal gun pointed towards Israel? There's pressure from the outside, and from the inside on them. They have to keep terrorising to maintain the internal pressure. They have to be able to stop Israel from taking them out as a result of their terrorising. I don't know if their current arsenal is a deterrent enough for that. If I were a supreme leader who wanted to stay in power, I'd be overturning mandatory prayer for the nuclear scientists and enginners working overtime to get to a test detonation (not over Israel) ASAP. As a supreme leader I feel like last year, perhaps even weeks ago, I did have the option to not make nukes. After the attacks in Lebanon that left my primary deterrent in an unknown state of degradation, I'm not feeling so lucky.
No one is forcing Iran’s dictators to remain dictators. They could become benevolent leaders or simply flee the nation. Israel gains relatively little from creating a power vacuum in Iran that will likely just be filled by another Israel-hating regime. They gain much more by destroying Ming the current regime’s ability to attack Israel.
Israel gains relatively little from creating a power vacuum in Iran that will likely just be filled by another Israel-hating regime.
Exactly.
They gain much more by destroying Ming the current regime’s ability to attack Israel.
Agreed. If this could be achieved without dragging the rest of us in an Iraq-like war. It might be possible but I don't trust the current Israeli leadership to act in a way that achieves it. Especially given their PM said straight up he's up to toppling the regime couple of days ago.
No one is forcing Iran’s dictators to remain dictators.
If that were possible, it would have likely happened already given how long this regime has stayed in power. It's also very unlikely that it's 5 guys in rags after so many decades, so even if they go crazy, the remainder would likely say fuck that and replace them. I think it's much more useful to look at people as automatons whose actions are driven by the systems they exist in, than to consider them as free actors.
Their ability to make nukes has been delayed several times in the past, another delaying action is likely better than letting them get nukes.
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All of this argues not only for Israeli strikes—which will surely come—but for vigorous American action as well.
Jesus fucking Christ.
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One of the more-hawkish takes I've read.
It's Eliot Cohen. That dude has been beating the drum for war with Iran for more than 20 years.
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