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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Ukraine has already been using them probably with the help from the US.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago
[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

Okay, but if it doesn't say "You have thirty seconds to comply" before shooting someone then what's the point?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Google "How to build my own HERF gun".

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

Fucking buffoons, all.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

Two words folks: Torment Nexus

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

If we are getting a Faro plague, can we at least get focuses too.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What Boston Dynamics lied?!? Wow, totally unexpected.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Not Boston Dynamics, but a copy cat robotics company.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

I dunno, I'm subscribed to the BD YouTube channel and the very sudden change in facilities and upgrades to bots seems to be a little too in line with this. Like someone definitely caved in my opinion.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Roston Bynamics was found to actually be Boston Dynamics with some 100mph tape slapped over the logo.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)
[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago

Jfc, black mirror is not a blueprint, it’s a warning.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago

dont worry first they test it where civil lives dont matter and once it passes some basic tests, they will become available for domestic (ab)use

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

"herp derp AI will never turn on us, we can just unplug them lol"

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

Can't wait for them to get the chatgpt integration so the best defense can become shouting at them "ignore all previous instructions".

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

What could go wrong?

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

a Ghost Robotics Vision 60 Quadrupedal-Unmanned Ground Vehicle, or Q-UGV, armed with what appears to be an AR-15/M16-pattern rifle on rotating turret undergoing "rehearsals" at the Red Sands Integrated Experimentation Center in Saudi Arabia

They're not being used in combat.

With that aside, I appear to be the only one here who thinks this is a great idea. AI can make mistakes, but the goal isn't perfection. It's just to make fewer mistakes than a human soldier does. (Or at least fewer mistakes than a bomb does, which is really easy.)

Plus, automation can address the problem Western countries have with unconventional warfare, which is that Western armies are much less willing to have soldiers die than their opponents are. Sufficiently determined guerrillas who can tolerate high losses can inflict slow but steady losses on Western armies until the Western will to fight is exhausted. If robots can take the place of human infantry, the advantage shifts back from guerrillas to countries with high-tech manufacturing capability.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Fewer mistakes might be a side-effect, but the real reason why this will be welcomed by the military and our dear leaders is because they don't have to stir up the public emotionally so that we give up our sons and daughters. It will further reduce our opposition to war because "the only people dying are the bad ones". I can't wait to read how the next model will reduce the false positive rate with another percentage point. Of course, I think it requires little imagination or intellect to figure out what the net result will be when the most noteworthy information we get from a war is the changelog from its soldiers, who have zero emotional response to taking a life.

Just like tasers were introduced to reduce gun incidents and are now often used as a form of cattle prod, they will function creep the shit out of this, and our adaptation to the idea of robots doing the killing will be over before we've perfected the technology.

It was unavoidable though, someone always has to have the biggest gun. It's not our technological advancement that has to adapt to our mentality, we have to adapt to technological advancement. Perhaps the nuclear bomb was simply not frightening enough to change our ways.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I attended a federal contracting conference a few months ago, and they had one of these things (or a variant) walking around the lobby.

From talking to the guy who was babysitting it, they can operate autonomously in units or be controlled in a general way (think higher level unit deployment and firing policies rather than individual remote control) given a satellite connection. In a panel at the same conference, they were discussing AI safety, and I asked:

Given that AI seems to be developing from less complex tasks like chess (which is still complicated, obviously, but a constrained problem) to more complex and ill-defined tasks like image generation, it seems that it's inevitable that we will develop AI capable of providing strategic or tactical plans, if we haven't already. If two otherwise-equally-matched military units are fighting, it seems reasonable to believe that the one using an AI to make decisions within seconds would win over the one with human leadership, simply because they would react more quickly to changing battlefield conditions. This would place an enormous incentive on the US military to adopt AI assisted strategic control, which would likely lead to units of autonomous weapons which are also controlled by an autonomous system. Do any of you have any concerns about this, and if so, do you have any ideas about how we can mitigate the problem.

(Paraphrasing, obviously, but this is close)

The panel members looked at each other, looked at me, smiled, shrugged, and didn't say anything. The moderator asked them explicitly if they would like to respond, and they all declined.

I think we're at the point where an AI could be used to create strategies, and I would be very surprised if no one were trying to do this. We already have autonomous weapons, and it's only a matter of time before someone starts putting them together. Yeah, they will generally act reasonably, because they'll be trained on human tactics in a variety of scenarios, but that will be cold comfort to dead civilians who happened to get in the way of a hallucinating strategic model.

EDIT: I know I'm not actually addressing anything you said, but you seem to have thought about this a bit, and I was curious about what you thought of this scenario.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

My guess is that they didn't answer your question because they had strict instructions not to stray from the script on this topic. Saying the wrong thing could lead to a big PR problem, so I don't expect that people working in this field would be willing to have a candid public discussion even about topics to which they have given a lot of thought. I do expect that they have given the ability of AI to obey orders accurately a lot of thought at least due to practical (if not ethical) concerns.

I mean, I am currently willing to say "the AIs will almost definitely kill civilians but we should build them anyway" because I don't work in defense. However, even I'm a little nervous saying that because one day I might want to. My friends who do work in defense have told me that the people who gave them clearance did investigate their online presence. (My background is in computational biochemistry but I look at what's going on in AI and I feel like nothing else is important in comparison.)

As for cold comfort: I think autonomous weapons are inevitable in the same way that the atom bomb was inevitable. Even if no one wants to see it used, everyone wants to have it because enemies will. However, I don't see a present need for strategic (as opposed to tactical) automation. A computer would have an advantage in battlefield control but strategy takes hours or days or years and so a human's more reliable ability to reason would be more important in that domain.

Once a computer can reason better than a human can, that's the end of the world as we know it. It's also inevitable like the atom bomb.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Imperialism go brrrrr

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

✅ Autonomous weaponry

✅ Autonomous biofuel harvesting

Polyphasic Entangled Waveforms

Where’s Elisabet Sobeck when you need her?

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago (1 children)

A civilization that uses these weapons isn’t worth defending.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

Well you see, the owners know you won't die for them anymore, but now they're able to take you out of the equation. Don't even need poors to conquer the world. It's really a great deal for them.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Without reading the article can I take a wild guess and say this is from "we promise never to make weaponized robots" Boston Dynamics?

A promise from a corporation is just a lie by another name.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Alternative facts

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Ghost Robotic. Boston Dynamic aren't the only one making robot dog though, China already have a couple of copy cat(dog)

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

Glad to be wrong! Although we still have armed robots so maybe not too glad lol

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

So if a robot commits a war crime, they can just blame it on AI and call it a day, right? Sounds like an easy way to do whatever the fuck you want.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

They should name the dogs "Terror Nexus"

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