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If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

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(Semi-obligatory thanks to @dgerard for starting this)

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (4 children)

My current hyperfixation is Ecosia, maker of “the greenest search engine” (already problematic) implementing a wrapped-chatgpt chat bot and saying it has a “green mode” which is not some kind of solar-powered, ethically-sound, generative AI, but rather an instructive prompt to only give answers relating to sustainable business models etc etc.

See my thread here https://xcancel.com/fasterandworse/status/1837831731577000320

I’m starting to reach out to them wherever I can because for some reason this one is keeping me up at night.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I got a downvote for some reason…

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That is a good username. Also very scummy business practices. I have a quite big dislike for people who pull that kind of shit.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

I have sent an email to their press enquiries contact asking for more information, but I don’t know if I have the “press” clout to warrant a response (I know I don’t)

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (4 children)

from the (current?) prick-in-chief at YC in this post:

and everyone in our industry owes a debt to open source builders

nice of you to admit it. now maybe pay down some of that debt by using sending of your piles of money to those projects

oh, what's that, you only want to continue taking from it and then charging other people service rent, without ever contributing back? oh okay then

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

nasb, fedi is for losers

been feeling this for a while too and wondering how to put it into words. especially in light of all the techfash, pressing climate and general market problems, etc

one of the things I've been holding onto (hoping in?) is my estimation/belief that I don't think the current state of all the deeply-fucked systems is inherently stable, or viable. as I've said here before, that very instability is part of why so many of them are engaged in trying to set things up to protect those self-same systems, as they know the swingback is coming and they want to make it as hard as possible to claw things back from them

but how long until it breaks, and with how much splash damage, are things I haven't really been able to estimate

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (3 children)

My computer crashed as I was writing a response. In short:

I think fedi existing and having the userbase it has is “victory” enough. Capitalism and fascism push us to think “winning” and “success” are the greatest thing to aspire to. To “win” over capitalism and fascism will require an unlearning and disavowal of those aspirations.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

oh yeah, I agree quite strongly with that sentiment too (and that's why I didn't re-use the words of the post I linked)

the fedi has some pretty dire threats (shit like threads etc) that I do think it needs to deal with by way of more teeth (consider it self-protective boundary setting), but in general I think a lot of the current state of it satisfying people just for being happy to be themselves is perfectly fine and good

side note: part of my problem is that my thinking on matters is a bit waterlogged due to shortage of knowledge/references, and backfilling that is ... well, hard to find the right resources for reading, and perpetual spoon shortage. I've been working my way through some Graeber and some other stuff, but very slowly and need more things. also doesn't help that ZA is, functionally, a desert island

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Oh also what does nasb mean

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

"not a sneer, but"

I can't recall who proposed it

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Im reminded of the "Rationalism is systematized winning". Post for some reason. This post and the recent musk chess post just makes me wonder about "what does winning" even mean. But in the spirit of wargames, i have not thought about it much more than that.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

musk.. chess.. post.. ?

actually, forget I asked. I've had an eventful enough week of bullshit, and am going to close my friday off with some careless daydrinking and relaxation

(e: I would add: good god "musk chess post" must be one of the craziest strings of words I've seen in a while)

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (7 children)

as seen via jwz, the tail wagging the dog continues (archive) at mozilla

"if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" but the wrong way around. I guess they got tired of begging google for money?

And, for the foreseeable future at least, advertising is a key commercial engine of the internet

this tracks analogously to something I've been saying for a while as well, but with some differences. one of the most notable is the misrepresentation here of "the internet", in the stead of "all the entities playing the online advertising game to extract from everyone else"

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It is worth mentioning that this is the question that catalysed the SRD post:

Most Effective Aid to Gaza?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

I'm not in support of Effective Altruism as an organization, I just understand what it's like to get caught up in fear and worry over if what you're doing and donating is actually helping. I donate to a variety of causes whenever I have the extra money, and sometimes it can be really difficult to assess which cause needs your money more. Due to this, I absolutely understand how innocent people get caught up in EA in a desire to do the maximum amount of good for the world. However, EA as an organization is incredibly shady. u/Evinceo provided this great article: https://www.truthdig.com/articles/effective-altruism-is-a-welter-of-fraud-lies-exploitation-and-eugenic-fantasies/

Man, that hits close to home. It's a hard sell to sneer at people ostensibly doing their best to do good. Any kind of altruism, particularly one ostensibly focused on at least trying to be effective, feels like a such a rare treat that I feel like the worst kind of buzzkill letting newcomers know what cynical doomer ass death obsessed sex cult (and not even in a kinkily cool way*) a big chunk of EA and other TESCRL are. I can relate to them in so many ways, especially remembering what my teenage self was like, but at the same time it's weirdly hard to articulate how immature those opinions (some of which) I used to, and they continue to hold, are**.

Anyway, charity is a symptom of the failure of society. Luxury is a human right. Profit is exploitation. Nobody gets a billion dollars without mass homicide.

  • but unfortunately often in an uncool, very rapey way ** not all of them, there are levels of cringe I managed to avoid even in my teenage years
[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (5 children)

(Another post so soon? Another post so soon.)

"Gen AI competes with its training data, exhibit 1,764":

exhibit 1764

Also got a quick sidenote, which spawned from seeing this:

This is pure gut feeling, but I suspect that "AI training" has become synonymous with "art theft/copyright infringement" in the public consciousness.

Between AI bros publicly scraping against people's wishes (Exhibit A, Exhibit B, Exhibit C), the large-scale theft of data which went to produce these LLMs' datasets, and the general perception that working in AI means you support theft (Exhibit A, Exhibit B), I wouldn't blame Joe Public for treating AI as inherently infringing.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Back in my day, you had to create your own kooky "evidence" for conspiracies.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (4 children)

“curated”

it shouldn’t surprise me that the dipshit who was massively involved in “solving language” doesn’t understand the meaning of words, but grrrrr

(and I say that as an armchair linguist who understands that language is as people use it (fuck prescriptivism))

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

The horror. Replacing the joy of looking into something and making your findings available in your own style to others replaced by autogenerated slop. And soon this will be all over the place, we will look back on the past period of low effort clickbait with nostalgia.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (10 children)

https://xcancel.com/karpathy/status/1841848120897912967#m

jfc

Edit: replaced screenshot of tweet + description with link to tweet

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (3 children)

New piece from Ars Technica: Meta smart glasses can be used to dox anyone in seconds, study finds:

Two Harvard students recently revealed that it's possible to combine Meta smart glasses with face image search technology to "reveal anyone's personal details," including their name, address, and phone number, "just from looking at them."

In a Google document, AnhPhu Nguyen and Caine Ardayfio explained how they linked a pair of Meta Ray Bans 2 to an invasive face search engine called PimEyes to help identify strangers by cross-searching their information on various people-search databases. They then used a large language model (LLM) to rapidly combine all that data, making it possible to dox someone in a glance or surface information to scam someone in seconds—or other nefarious uses, such as "some dude could just find some girl’s home address on the train and just follow them home,” Nguyen told 404 Media.

This is all possible thanks to recent progress with LLMs, the students said.

Putting my off-the-cuff thoughts on this:

  1. Right off the bat, I'm pretty confident AR/smart glasses will end up dead on arrival - I'm no expert in marketing/PR, but I'm pretty sure "our product helped someone dox innocent people" is the kind of Dasani-level disaster which pretty much guarantees your product will crash and burn.

  2. I suspect we're gonna see video of someone getting punched for wearing smart glasses - this story's given the public a first impression of smart glasses that boils down to "this person's a creep", and its a lot easier to physically assault someone wearing smart glasses than some random LLM

  3. This is a gut feeling I've had since Baldur talked about AI's public image nearly three months ago, but this gives me further reason to expect the public are gonna be outright hostile to the tech industry once the AI bubble pops.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

100%. This criti-hype is going to blow up in their faces. "They" being, in order:

  1. AnhPhu Nguyen and Caine Ardayfio
  2. Meta
  3. PimEyes

In addition to your analysis, I'd like to point out that this reads just like the Rabbit R1, but for stalkers who also have a deep craving to look like an insufferable dork. This whole thing could be, and already is, an app -- if someone needs this kind of evil bullshit, clearview.ai been around forever.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

I also now wonder how illegal this could be in various jurisdictions. I know that aiming security cams at public roads is a bit frowned upon here in .nl for example

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