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And nothing happened…
Have you called your house representative to speak with them about this?
Lol
Lol
Have more of a chance of affecting change than just bitching and moaning about it on Lemmy. /shrug
Edit:
Multivariate analysis indicates that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence. The results provide substantial support for theories of Economic-Elite Domination and for theories of Biased Pluralism, but not for theories of Majoritarian Electoral Democracy or Majoritarian Pluralism. Source
So don't even try?
You know how ridiculous it looks to try to justify inaction, since nothing will ever affect change (per that stupid link of yours), so why bother?
You're so busy to try to win an Internet argument, and save face for being called out on something, that you post some kind of really dumb link on something so abstract that no one gives a crap about, instead of just taking a moment and thinking about "hey maybe if I made that phone call my local rep will see that their constituents are interested in the subject and will actually bring it up when they're in Washington".
You are part of the problem that you're bitching and moaning about here on Lemmy.
No. You’re part of the problem. Liberals think they can create radical change in the capitalist system through voting and reforms, when that is empirically not the case.
All of Marx’s economic works, mainly The Capital, seek to show that it is not possible to solve the problems of capitalism through reforms, as Proudhon wanted. Source.
We are under threat from fascism because of liberalism.
The immediate point: those looking for salvation in electoral politics are unlikely to find it. Source.
I do not advocate inaction. I want people to educate themselves and organize. I don’t care about losing internet arguments.
Fine. You win. Now, read and learn of things that might help you better create change.
Organizing can sometimes be as simple as "hey lets all call a senator to pressure them and lock up the phone lines and staff". The idea that strikes or revolutions are the only things that effect change is silly. Those just hurt the most but they are the hardest to organize as well.
Liberals think they can create radical change in the capitalist system through voting and reforms,
You know, talking to your local house representative isn't a "liberal" thing to do, it's an American citizenry thing to do.
And I guarantee you, if enough of us did that, on a regular basis, so that those Representatives are fearful for their positions if they go against the will of their constituents, you would see actual change happen.
You won't see change if we just complain about things on an Internet forum.
By the way, that Cambridge paper you quoted, is from 2014. Politics has changed since then. And, that paper doesn't discuss at all about the issue of the citizenry being inactive and not forcing their will onto those they elect. It also mentions where citizenry through special interest groups like labor unions can affect change.
Well, you’ve proven yourself. I’ll stop reading revolutionary theory and call my representative Monday.
Even Marxists who live in a democratic country could potentially benefit from speaking to their local elected representative. Beats waiting around for a revolution that will never come.
I’m old. I’ve written. Emailed. Called, and voted my entire life. The political landscape is not getting better. It’s getting worse.
’m old. I’ve written. Emailed. Called, and voted my entire life. The political landscape is not getting better. It’s getting worse.
At least you can look at yourself in the mirror; you tried. The only thing any of us could be asked to do. Don't let cynicism ruin you.
You seem to be a cruel optimist.
A relation of cruel optimism is a double-bind in which your attachment to an object sustains you in life at the same time as that object is actually a threat to your flourishing. So you can't say that there are objects that have the quality of cruelty or not cruelty, it's how you have the relationship to them.
"That's so deep, man."
Not really. If you go deeper, you’ll find that everyone is immoral.
If it is in our power to prevent something very bad from happening, without thereby sacrificing anything morally significant, we ought, morally, to do it.
Not really. If you go deeper, you’ll find that everyone is immoral.
I mean, we're straying far from the original conversation, so I'll just leave it with agree to disagree, and move on.
Take care.
And that is why nothing happens…
Take care.
And that is why nothing happens…
Take care.
Well, trying to meet you in the middle of "everyone is immoral" is too much of a hard ask.
I thought we were having an honest and polite conversation, but you seem to go for that last Internet point win all of a sudden.
What was your expectation? What exactly are you advocating?
Enlightened Centrists will kill us all.
I'm asking you to use your own words, and not just link years old articles.
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