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As @[email protected] stated here, the reason you received a temp ban was because you told someone (from a comrade server) that you hope they get covid. That is completely innappropriate, and its almost unbelievable that you'd wish that pain on someone else. The point of these temp bans is to give people a chance to cool off, and that's a very minor thing considering.

I'd wager that most of us on lemmygrad (including me) mask in public, and your temp ban had nothing to do with that. The only bannable offense w/ respect to masking here would be someone posting anti-science articles, or wishing that someone gets covid like you did. People can (and do) report those comments, so we can remove them as necessary.

I'm locking this as its trying to start a struggle session that's a distraction over your temp ban for saying you hope someone gets covid.

I assume this is a US thing? In my country COVID cases have fallen so low that we are no longer keeping track of new cases in our statistics and the government has already declared a return to normalcy (hospitals included) more than a year ago. I'd like to ask for confirmation if this is the case because seeing infighting over this makes me feel like I am coming from another planet.

Damn, glad I missed that thread. I've been self-isolating this whole time, it sucks not seeing the people I care about as frequently as I want to, but the alternative is seeing them sick, or devastated because their friends or family have died. I understand self-isolation isn't an option for a lot of people (I am lucky enough to work from home) but that kind of indifferent defeatist attitude is troubling. Western governments declared covid "over" and that was that apparently. Covid wasn't even "that" deadly. Another plague could legitimately wipe out humanity if we have a similar response to it as we did to covid.

$10 says you don't have anything approaching this energy for people in real life, who actually pose a danger to you.

You will never meet anyone here in real life.

I hope this is cathartic, though.

Here's the internet, I can be a bit aggressive to strangers, send you all PBB and hope you fall on your butt. What depresses me is how so few of my comrades IRL mask. Being the most white cis male person ever, I don't feel super great being aggressive about masks with a lot of my comrades. Although one can definitely detect an inverse relationship with masking and privilege.

you people

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Who is your criticism pointed towards? The whole website? The ones you saw promoting not using masks? Try not to generalize a whole website because of a single post you saw 😉

I’ll say the same thing I said there: I don’t care how much of a struggle it is to mask in public anymore, because I do not get a choice. My immune system has been fucked up for the last 20 years due to biological lottery. I mask, or I die. You’re not saving the world by masking alone, but you are saving every sick person who has to go to the grocery store and brave the odds again for the 1500th day in a row (if they’re one of the lucky ones) from getting it from you, another potential risk vector. If your actions could swing the pendulum even slightly, if they could marginally tip the odds toward saving even one life in a tidal wave, why wouldn’t you do it? When you tell me your masking does nothing in the face of an apathetic society, when you tell me masking is “virtue signaling”, you tell me you are not serious. You tell me to my face that you are throwing your lot in with my enemy; you are ok with leaving me behind, for them. So I will treat you with the seriousness — and vitriol — you actually deserve, a grace not given to me or people like me as you kill us.

If you won't mask: tell me why not. I could meet you in the grocery store. I could meet you on the train. It could be anyone in that store or on that train that gives me the covid infection that kills me, but it is just as likely to be you. Tell me why you wouldn't wear a mask to prevent that possibility. Tell me in the same breath that you'd tell me you're a comrade at the PSL chapter meeting. Tell me.

If you'd like to talk about your temp ban we can talk about it. The way they're structured means they're instantaneous and cut all contact for the duration, but we've explained them before to users after they asked for a follow-up.

Nobody likes getting banned, neither do I, but if we wanted to silence someone we'd give them a permaban and refuse all their new account requests. You received a 48 hours ban for wishing covid on someone else from Lemmygrad, despite you yourself having been through covid and arguing for methods to minimize it so that others wouldn't catch it. Do you feel that comment was productive?

Masks, just like the "litterbug" campaign, are a way to offload responsibility and blame onto the working class, responsibility that should fall to the government and companies.

Case: a person is sick, maybe covid maybe not. Instead of telling the person to stay home (cutting productivity, therefore cutting profits), they just tell the person to wear a mask.

Case: a person works from home, and is sick. Instead of the government providing groceries and ensuring the person doesn't have to go out during the 4-5 days they are contagious, they tell them to mask up and go grocery shopping.

People don't even know how to wear a mask. I have seen so many people wear a mask under their nose, or have a mask on that is used and wet from sweat (ineffective). I also see many people have gaps on the sides, or under their chin, might as well not wear a mask at that point. Don't even get me started on those visors...

The media lied to people. First they said masks don't work, told people not to buy, but then couple of months later there was a mask mandate.

Their mask rules were ridiculous. When the restaurants opened (for example), the rules were that you had to wear a mask while not seated, walking between tables, but then you could take it off once you're at the table. LMAO

Those thin masks don't offer much protection. The ones that do are the N95 ones, yet people were allowed to wear homemade knitted masks, cloth masks, novelty masks, etc. There was no enforcing of a standard. Masks other than N95 simply don't work.

"Well, what's the alternative??!!"

• when sick, people should stay home (they should have paid sick leave)
• covid tests should have been free and people should have been testing themselves every few days, I'd much rather that everyone around me had been tested in the last 24-48h, than everyone wearing a mask (improperly) while not knowing whether they have covid or not
• ventilation, UV lights (like others have said)
• hand sanitisers everywhere, plus free hand sanitisers given out (this has been done for the most part)
• quick, population-wide vaccination, no dilly-dallying, no vaccinating this group, then this group, then this group

how is this even a discussion? wear a mask people

I stand ten motherfucking toes down on what I said to Cantaloupe Ass and Ghost of Faso; any plague rat motherfucker who wants to take issue with how I feel about people who won’t mask can catch the same cases my partners and my family caught. It’s a whole lot of you motherfuckers that are so unserious, so emphatically not my comrades that it sickens me seeing you call yourselves so.

To address this, at no point have I ever said that people should not mask, I advocated for masking alongside infection rates rising and not masking when the current infection levels are low enough (like less than 10 cases country wide) and at that point masking in clinical settings or around more vulernable people.

I took issue with you wishing death/disablity on another poster, and I stand by that.

Forever thankful my workplace encourages masking

go off, i still don't know why people are so mad about just wearing a mask.