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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It's the best argument against those who say we don't need to do anything about our emissions because China pollutes more. China can turn around and be green in a couple of years because it's a dictatorship, can the western world do that? Fuck no.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

Now they’ll just change arguments - “China has reduced their emissions so much that now there’s less urgency for us to lower ours”. Heads I win, tails you lose.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm not sure it's a very effective argument, since China has not actually reduced its emissions yet and emits as much per capita (consumption based) as most European countries. There's progress being made but we are a long, long fucking way from having fixed the problem, and that applies to China too

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

You didn't get the point, the day China decides to do it they'll catch up and be ahead of European and North American countries in a couple of years, they'll do in two years what will require them a decade or more.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

No, I got the point, I'm just saying you won't convince anyone with it until China has actually done something. And it is important that we convince people before that, because that's precious time lost

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This graphic is a nice summary. If China continues its growth with EVs, they could reach >90% by 2030 or even earlier.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Can’t legacy automakers see data like this? Are they not global conglomerates? Do they not want a future?

At least here in the US, the legacy automakers still seem to be pushing back that EVs will ever happen. I don’t understand how they can’t see that EVs already have happened in many places and even here it’s a matter of time. The current trade wars and tariffs seem to be giving them some breathing room, but they’re just using it for more short term profit rather than do anything about their future amidst technology change. They still seem to be putting more into lobbying that EVs are impossible, rather than make any

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Is your country ready to tell gas vehicle owners that they have to join a lottery for a slim chance to buy a numberplate that allows them to drive the non-electric car? Because that's what China needed to do to drive the EV sales (which has the dual benefit of cleaning up the air in their cities, and making them the leading exporter of new cars)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Norway managed to do it with good infrastructure rollout and tax incentives, and they don't even have the parallel goal of trying to build a domestic EV manufacturing industry

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

And what tyrannical move did the EU pull to get double the EV adoption rate?