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[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (2 children)

Alternative opinion:
Car companies should stop making normal cars and instead only make hardcore vehicles. I'm talking race cars that are challenging and uncomfortable to drive.
manual only, aggressive clutches, loud gears, stiff suspension, non-adjustable seat, no heat, no ac, no radio, etc.

Then while they're making this change we expand the shit out of mass transport and infrastructure!

I can assure you that nobody wants to daily drive my race car. lol

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I want all of those things. I can assure you, I want to drive a V8 loud as fuck, manual thick clutched, wide tired, non AC, non radio, rear wheel drive, fucking street menace of a vehicle.

But I also want an absolute rehaul of our infrastructure to include high speed rail for the entire country, and comprehensive pricing that is subsidized by the government with my tax money and provided for free if I need it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

You don't take responsibility nor pay for the externalities

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 hours ago

One of us!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago

I’ve always wanted to do this in video form - have a montage of heroic car ads that just crossfade together with tons of shots of those gas guzzlers sitting at red lights and in traffic.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

I feel like a more accurate (though much less catchy) name for this community would be !fuckcarcentricsociety. Cars are awesome! They're fun to drive, feats of engineering, and in the right conditions like a rollercoaster without tracks. They just fucking suck when they're practically required to live. I'm as big a proponent for public transit, you shouldn't need a car to get to your job or grocery store, but you can't look at something like F1 and say that's not exhilarating.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 hours ago

Something that NotJustBikes brings up in one of their videos is that the Netherlands' incredibly bike- and public transit-oriented infrastructure makes driving a car (for those who want or need it) much more pleasant as well.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

but you can’t look at something like F1 and say that’s not exhilarating.

strong disagree. perhaps in the 60s and 70s - before we understood that ICE was spewing carbon dioxide and ruining the ecosystem sure.

Today? F1 is a fucking travesty - rich assholes burning crazy amounts of fuel to speed around in circles taking more from future generations every fucking lap.

If it were all electric powered by renewable resources harvested nearby I'd have less of an issue, but anything combusting is a giant middle finger to your own children. "Sorry skippy, even we knew, we still didn't give a fuck to stop the silly games."

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Today? F1 is a fucking travesty - rich assholes burning crazy amounts of fuel to speed around in circles taking more from future generations every fucking lap.

While I don't disagree that spectating races is boring, the amount of CO2 those put out pale in comparison to commutator traffic or the container ships running bunker fuel. We could have EV races and if each manufacturer entered their base models, could help with adoption. We could also make the ICE races run biogas(methane from antibiotic digesters) or biodiesel(tractor pulls could easily adopt that with only a small lowering of performance that all the tractors would share).

but anything combusting is a giant middle finger to your own children.

All consumption is.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

All consumption is.

consumption for production is one thing, entirely optional, benefitting only one party entertainment coming at the cost of everyone else?

that's a dick move.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

The emissions from 20 cars driving in circles for a few hours a week could continue until the end of humanity and still be just a drop in the bucket compared to the amount of damage the production industry has done up to this point.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

bud the bucket overflowed a long, long time ago. now it's pouring over the rim, and you're like: eh, it's just a few thousand tons of CO2 every year, for funsies, it won't matter.

it all matters. you're just too vroom vroom to fucking care.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

The emissions from the cars themselves isn't even 2000 tons of CO2. That's 1/200000 of 1% of annual emissions. If you're that concerned, you shouldn't be on this site because the server, your computer, and your router are all adding CO2 to the atmosphere.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

it all matters. you’re just too vroom vroom to fucking care.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Then you better not live in a house, turn your lights on, use your computer, go to the grocery store, go see a movie, go to a concert, buy anything at all, travel any other way than by foot. Or you could put your effort into something that'll actually make a difference.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

quack quack quack, sure bud, you know the math, it's easy to figure out: you're adding to it... FOR FUN.

I don't.

Don't worry, one day you'll get there, and meanwhile, your children will rightfully despise you regardless.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 57 minutes ago (1 children)

Oh, so now it doesn't all matter?

If you really don't do anything fun that contributes to CO2 emissions, you don't do anything fun at all. Unless you live in the woods and survive off nuts and berries, you're doing something that contributes to worsening the atmosphere.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 51 minutes ago (1 children)

you’re doing something that contributes to worsening the atmosphere.

Yes, I live in society. I don't take my entertainment from watching idiots dump burned hydrocarbons into the atmosphere, though. Only someone sick in the head sees that and thinks: ooh, ah, this is FUN.

this all really hurt feelings, didn't it, vroom vroom?

hope it keeps you up at night.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 45 minutes ago

No, you just get your entertainment from arguing with strangers on the internet (which accounts for way more emissions than F1 does)

I'm gonna sleep so well tonight knowing I get to wake up tomorrow and watch vroom vroom while you watch paint dry

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I agree the environmental impacts are certainly an issue, but the emissions from the sport alone aren't that bad, the worst is from all the travel done on private jets between locations. They've also done some work towards being more eco-friendly. The cars run hybrid V6s instead of V10s and by 2026 will use fully renewable biofuel. There's also Formula E, which is an entirely electric motorsport.

There's just some things an ICU can do that an electric motor can't. It's simply impossible to get the same amount of power as an F1 car from purely electric propulsion at the same weight.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

so you know it's a problem, you know the sport's total footprint is the cause, you even point out THEY know it's wretched and are making half hearted efforts to someday maybe do something.

but you give them your attention.

There’s just some things an ICU can do that an electric motor can’t.

but it's entertainment, not some mission critical life saving thing, it's to watch cars go fast driving in circles.

fuck me, our civilization deserves to collapse.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

we deserve to collapse because we like to be entertained?

i wonder if what you used to type and send this comment onto the internet uses any sort of battery

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

we deserve to collapse because we like to be entertained?

when the specific entertainment is dicking around the ONLY FUCKIN' ATMOSPHERE WE HAVE yeah I think so.

you like the taste of smog? or is it simping for petroleum companies?

Or is the attraction fracking?

Watching the poles melt in real time?

Come on man, which is the part that gives you the entertainment?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

the part where the car go fast. DUH!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

so why the fuck are you on /fuckcars lol

read the room vroom vroom

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

im not on fuckcars im on lemmy

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

you're on fuck cars you bellend, a community on lemmy. jfc

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

whats it say right next to my name? go on, say it. what does it say? its right next to my name

does it say lemmy? spelled lemm.ee? or does it not?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

it says pedant dumbfuck who doesn't understand where he's whining

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 hours ago

I think you're forgetting the entire point of my original comment.

I feel like a more accurate (though much less catchy) name for this community would be !fuckcarcentricsociety.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 hours ago

1969 and it is still relevant.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

How I felt last week in my busted up 350k miles shitbox when there was a Lamborghini and Ferrari beside me crawling through traffic. Even once we were out of gridlock their average speed was probably the exact same as mine. My car costs probably 500 dollars and there's cost literally a 1000 times more than that. Made me feel good. Also made me feel like ramming them just because

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

As it turns out, road speed is limited by laws, safety and traffic, not the HP of your car engine.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 hours ago

Which perhaps makes the purchase more justifiable in Germany when you live within reach of the Autobahn…

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I love the groceries in the front seat because there's no room anywhere else.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 hours ago

Even though some sort of trunk or storage could totally fit without increasing the vehicle volume.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

That's what I tell people. The reality of driving sucks. You might be in love with your fantasy of a 500 HP beast, but

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (2 children)

meanwhile on an open mountain road on a Sunday afternoon

"Woooooo!!!!!"

Where you're driving is as important as what. You'd love to drive a Civic Type R.

In a hospital? Maybe not.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 hours ago

Nah, FL5 Type 5 has hill assist, rev match, anti stall, and brake lock. With really comfy bucket seats. At speed you got Honda's bitchin adaptive cruise control and lane keeping assist. It's as comfortable as a manual car can be for commuting and traffic. 10/10 would recommend as daily driver.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 hours ago

The fact that it needs to be open means 99% of people can't be there, which includes 98% of 500 HP car owners.

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