i'd love an actual labour but sadly until election reform it's not going to mean anything. we we need is just a left wing pact between independents, labour back benchers, ~~the snp~~ though let's face it they're going further to the right than labour these days, pc, sinn fein, and the greens.
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Ignorant American here, is that not what the Green Party is supposed to be? Is there a reason why Corbyn and the left wing labor/independent MP's shouldn't just join the Greens?
Not really. While the green party is left of labour. Its green credentials are pretty poor. Nimbyism has made them choose some rather odd positions.
This is an issue as it is a one issue named party. So like labour making odd non worker beneficial policies harms labour among left wing. Those nimby votes harm green reputation among green.
And while the 2 Green and left are not really related. They have a freaking huge crossover on a venn diagram. So both are rejected by a large % of the left.
As a thought experiment, would supporting a workers union be left wing, even if it was for coal miners?
What's being green got to do with being left wing?
This is really the problem with left/right, you can be green and Tory or Labour. Green has little to do with supporting workers rights or supporting the church and monarchy.
[Edit] To clarify, being against building and preferring green spaces is a green position and also a driver for NIMBYs.
Tories get played as fools by their own party constantly, the little old dears in church voting Tory aren't supporting them because they keep moving more fash.
Ignorant Canadian but I know that around here the Greens aren't necessarily seen as the left wing party, in part because their program isn't broad enough
If Britain had proportional representation, they’d have a chance of being the leftmost party in left-of-centre coalitions alongside Labour and the Green Party (sort of like Die Linke in Germany or Vänsterpartiet in Sweden), or any least harrying a Labour-LibDem-Green-SNP-Plaid coalition from the left. Though under FPTP, they have a snowball’s chance in Hell, and are likely to serve as motivation for Labour to rule out electoral reform.
After Left Unity, Breakthrough, Peace and Justice, Social Justice Party, and Transform, I'm sure this one will work out.
More seriously, I'm glad they're pursuing this. Everyone involved will be happier representing their views more authentically and Labour will be better off while freed from their influence, while the electorate will be presented a wider range of choices — and I suppose it's possible they won't make a pig's ear of it and that the two-ish party rigidity of our system could be broken, serving our democracy for the better.
Looks like a win-win-win-win to me.
I suppose it’s possible they won’t make a pig’s ear of it and that the two-ish party rigidity of our system could be broken
It will only be broken when voters work together to ensure it.
The left as a whole are too willing to divide the vote. So fptp harms us more than the right, as empathy and emotion is a lower effect on their voting intentions. (I am in no way saying PR would end the right, just increase the power of the left to match actual vote share. )
So the only possible way w can change FPTP if for the left to agree voting reform is the primary importance. Everything else must take a back seat to this. And even then it would take a few parliaments before the effect was powerful enough.
All it means is that the left's vote gets split and conservatives get back into power
That's what they say on American subs too lol
Because it is also true there. Any nation with fptp voting will push towards a 2 party system.
Yeah, we need electoral reform first 🙁
If only Labour hadn't rallied against it.
I suppose it’s possible they won’t make a pig’s ear of it and that the two-ish party rigidity of our system could be broken
You mean it's supposedly possible that the media won't start an even worse smear campaign in continued and unrelenting defence of said system.. I wouldn't hold your breath..