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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

Isn't what they established in Alaska thanks in large part to democrats???

Edit: lol, seeing a lot of downvotes but I'm not seeing anybody refuting it either. Feel free to prove me wrong of course!

[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Those three Democrat are focusing on the thing all of the Democrats and Republicans should.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago (5 children)

The Dems will preserve a political model that's at least malleable. 3rds will need to work together to push ranked choice more and more into voters' field of view.

Republicans will swan-dive into fascism, in which case 3rds (and everyone else) are fucked.

Dems aren't going to help 3rds directly, but any one who wants the possibility of a 3rd party victory later is committing political suicide by failing to vote blue as a means of buying time. Voting 3rd when that 3rd has no potential for victory is self-destructive.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

The Dems will preserve a political model that’s at least malleable.

Much like during covid when they gave preferential treatment to themselves while simultaneously working to remove the Green party from ballots.

-More to the point your comment runs contrary to reality and the very nature of the joke pointed out in the meme.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The green party only exists because the GOP keeps giving them money. The only time anyone ever hears a damn word out of them, is when they're showing up to split the Dem vote for the GOP.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

You might want lay off the Blue MAGA conspiracies for a bit.

Commission certifies Jill Stein eligible to receive federal matching funds (2024)

Based on documents received on June 3, 2024, Jill Stein and Jill Stein for President 2024 (JSFP) fulfilled the agreement and certification requirements and contributions

To become eligible for matching funds, candidates must submit Candidate and Committee Agreements and Certifications as well as raise a threshold amount of $100,000 by collecting $5,000 in 20 different states in amounts no greater than $250 from any individual.

Also the entire Democratic party runs on AIPAC which is actually funded by Republicans. Dems reaching unprecedented levels of projection.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

When everything Democrats don't like is a Russian GOP state agent because someone drew some text on an image and they did zero fact checking, you know they've reached MAGA levels.

If any of these insane conspiracies were actually true the Green party would not even be allowed to run. The Democrats have done everything to try to concern troll the Greens off ballots in most "democratic" fashion.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

Some will at small, minor levels, but never enough to cause a serious threat. It's like how it's socially permissible and legal to make worker co-operatives and the like, the fact that it's non-threatening to the status quo keeps it a useful carrot that will never arrive at a scale that causes drastic change.

[–] [email protected] 86 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Alaska, a red state, is reportedly trying to remove their rank choice voting. This isn't a "Dems" problem, it's a two party problem.

https://ballotpedia.org/Alaska_Ballot_Measure_2,_Repeal_Top-Four_Ranked-Choice_Voting_Initiative_(2024)

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Obviously the Republicans are completely hostile to rcv, but the nominal progressives here aren't hoping the Republicans will implement rcv, they think Dems will. I have someone arguing exactly that to me in another thread because three congresspeople are currently setting a proposal up to be shot down.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

It is a two party problem but dems and their cult-like followers act like the politicians they worship can do no wrong. Both parties are businesses and that’s it.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

No, and it's stupid to suggest they would.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I bet dems would be more open to ranked choice if more people voted for third parties, because as long as the population believes they must vote Democrat or Republican and no one else, neither of those parties have any incentive to change. If lesser evilism stops getting people to vote for the two ruling parties, then there would be incentive for them to change. Short of that you're relying on politicians to do the right thing instead of the profitable thing, which is a fools game.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (19 children)

The problem is really that republicans keep putting up the worst possible candidates and policies. If the choice was "A sort of bad candidate or another sort of bad candidate", we'd all happily vote third party and if the slightly-worse-but-not-appreciably-so candidate won as a result, it wouldn't be a huge hurdle and over a few election cycles we could maybe effect change.

Instead, in that scenario, it leads to Trump and Project 2025 and I'd love to hear your explanation of how that helps us get progressive candidates into office, because I just don't see it.

I'm a "single issue voter" and that "single issue" is that I don't want another Trump presidency, so I'll vote strategically to prevent that from happening, even if I'd much rather have someone else.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

New York City established Ranked Choice voting in 2020 under a Dem Mayor and majority Dem City Council.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (5 children)

So three of the more than 250 elected democrats are trying, not for the first time by the way, to get the rest of their party to take it seriously. Talk to me when more than 2% of the Democrats do something about it because otherwise its basically just a platitude.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Bills are often started by one or a few people to get voted on by others. It will be resisted, but not by the side that would do well with a ranked choice with other left-sided third parties.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That would make more sense if this was their first time putting this bill forward, but it's not. They've tried this before and none of the other Democrats could be chuffed to stand behind it. This isn't new.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Bills don't often get passed on the first try. If anything you should be critical that this is only the second time, it ought to be a constant attempt to change a system that seemingly everyone not making a profit from is against. I'll also say that the only way anything like this will get passed is through the left, the right does not want everyone to get a vote. So it will likely fail again somewhere unless the ratio of left-right shifts. As is true of any bills that favor the public good.

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