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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Of all the things to kick-start industry on another planet, isn't a nuclear fucking plant the most complex?

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Yes but also no, might be significantly easier to cool for instance and no environmental concerns.

I got downvoted by people without critical thinking skills. A plant on the moon isn't in space, it's on the moon, a large cold rock, I don't understand why no one charitably understood you can dissipate heat into the actual moon which is not warm and quite cold.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It is notoriously hard to cool things in space. There's no water or air to dump the heat.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Bro you have hundreds of tons of cold stone on the moon. I didn't say space.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm not taking scientific inputs by somebody who starts sentences with "bro".

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's on you if you want to dismiss my insights on the basis of the language I use to express ideas. Pretty surface level evaluation tbh, bruh.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I dismissed your idea because it's bad. I decided to not waste my time explaining on the basis of the language you use.

The fact that I have to clarify this confirms I made the right decision.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

What a pompous position to take. I sure hope you don't make important decisions anywhere.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Can you elaborate more? I'm under the impression space is very cold, and the heat would get sucked out like I wish I was, at least once before I eat shit.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

You need to put the heat somewhere. In the vacuum, heat can only transfer by radiation, which is much less efficient.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Space is cold and not dense. Heat needs to move from a high energy medium to a low energy medium to be dissipated. Since there isn’t any matter for the thermal energy to be transferred to, cooling in space is actually quite difficult.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

the cold is helpful but moving the heat, but is the hard thing getting it away from the space craft. Since there is no atmosphere to take away your heat it just kinda sits there. If it is getting the suns rays it can be even more difficult. so basically it is quite hard.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago

I'm sure that money couldn't be better spent. It's not like there are hundreds of millions of Indians living in horrific levels of poverty.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Considering India and China are nuclear armed geostrategic rivals, with ongoing territorial disputes, and not too distant history of hot wars, I think this type of cooperation can be a good thing.

But that's also why I'm skeptical about how much dual use technology they'd be willing to share with each other. And when you're talking about space travel, or moon bases, practically everything is dual use technology.

If anyone is unclear why Russia would be involved, it's their rocket and nuclear technology. Or rather, the Soviet legacy of R&D that is still useful.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I can imagine a rocket full of plutonium and uranium rods, sitting above immense tanks of combustible liquid: what the odds of such a rocket exploding during ascent? What are the effects of solar and cosmic radiation energy over these rods (even if they're lead shielded), especially around Van Allen radiation belt? So many questions.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We've been launching nuclear reactors into space for decades (mostly RTGs) they're just much smaller. There isnt any chance of them exploding or anything when exposed to radiation, but yes the chance of the rocket failing, exploding and showering radioactive material over the ocean is why this has to be done incredibly carefully if it is done.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

According to my searches, while a RTG uses radioactive material weighting in the scale of kilograms (average of 5 Kg across missions such as Voyager and Cassini), a nuclear power plant requires several tonnes worth of plutonium and enriched uranium. The minimal critical mass for plutonium is 10kg, the double of how many fuel RTGs hold (that's why RTGs don't blow while ascending and/or on space). It's a large difference of mass/weight between RTG fuel and rods for nuclear power plants. They'd need to carry the whole tonnes worth of radioactive material split across very small quantities (which would require a lot of lead walling and/or launches)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Cold War II: Lunar Nuclear Boogaloo

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