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Alt TextThis cartoon has four panels. All the panels show a gritty commercial doorway – the kind that’s recessed a few feet into the building – on a city sidewalk. There’s litter and graffiti here.

There are two characters in the comic strip. The first character is a homeless man sleeping in the doorway, wearing a zip-up sweatshirt over a t-shirt and a dull red knit cap, and with a full beard. The other character is a muscular-looking cop dressed in a police uniform and carrying a baton. In defiance of tradition, he is cleanshaven. I’ll call these two characters KNITCAP and COP.

PANEL 1

Knitcap, covered by a brown blanket and with his head pillowed on some rolled-up clothes, is lying in a doorway, apparently asleep. The cop is using his baton to poke knitcap in the side. The cop has a somewhat sadistic grin.

COP: Hey, you! Get up! We’ve outlawed sleeping in public! You’re not allowed anymore!

PANEL 2

Knitcap is sitting up, rubbing sleep out of his eyes with one hand. He speaks calmly. The cop watches, smirking, arms akimbo.

KNITCAP: In that case, I guess I’ll sleep in a hotel tonight.

PANEL 3

A close-up of Knitcap. He’s stroking his chin with a hand, as if thinking through his options.

KNITCAP: Or should I sleep in my townhouse instead? Or my Hamptons place? I’ll call my butler and ask what he thinks!

PANEL 4

Knitcap, grinning, is now holding a hand next to his face, thumb and pinky finger extended, pretending it’s a phone as he talks. The cop is glaring and slapping his baton against his palm.

KNITCAP: Smithers? Smithers old boy! My super fun street sleeping holiday is done. Which of my mansions shall I sleep in tonight.

COP (thought): Next step: Outlaw sarcasm.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago
[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

I have bit of a nuanced take on the subject (ie: I'm going to get downvoted into oblivion.)

So here goes. To me Homelessness isn't the problem. Rampant drug addiction and mental illness are. For the mental illness part, we need comprehensive and affordable mental health care for everyone. That's not going to happen in my lifetime though.

The drug addiction however...

Places like Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle and Vancouver (where I'm from) have followed the decriminalization theory of drug rehabilitation. This posits that by providing clean drug paraphernalia and safe places to use drugs, will help people to overcome addiction. But the current state of these cities prove that this theory is false. In order to make someone change, they have to want to change. When you make drug use easier, there is less incentive for that person to want to get clean. Homelessness and the accompanying problems are to most of them just the "cost of doing business."

Their lives should be made more difficult as to incentivize them to want to change their ways. Of course there should be certain exceptions, such as when it's too hot or cold out. But we have to somehow give them a reason to change their ways.

At least where I live there are systems in place to help you get off the street. I would know as I was homeless for a year living on the street. But when COVID hit, I finally had enough and decided to get help. I went to a shelter, got signed up for disability and through BC housing I got myself a room in a shared complex. I'm proof that when you really try, there is help out there for you to make your life better.

Now bring on the downvotes.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

I'm with you on the point that (mental) healthcare should be affordable and accessible. Drug use however isn't the problem, but merely a symptom as well. Figure out why people turn to drugs, solve the underlying issue (generally mental health related), and the drug issue is gone.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

When you make drug use easier, there is less incentive for that person to want to get clean.

You seem to have some very naive ideas about drug abuse. Drug addicts always have problems that caused them to become drug addicts. For someone without underlying problems, getting clean is its own reward and requires no extra incentives. If you truly care about getting people off drugs, you have to fix the problems that caused them to become addicts in the first place, but that's difficult and expensive so nobody wants to talk about it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

Lots and lots of disabled people, even with disability income. The affordable housing wait list in some major cities is several years.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

I know it's almost an oxymoron, but homeless is closely tied to housing prices.

If you lost your job how long would you be able to keep living where you are? Maybe a long time, but for maybe 10% of the population it's a much shorter frame. Add on some other twists of fate (or bad planning): a medical emergency; an abusive spouse; an unplanned pregnancy; a substance abuse problem; and you have a concoction that could land you on the streets in a few months if not weeks.

The "free drug paraphernalia" (e.g. services to help save addicts lives) has followed the wave of addicts, not the other way around. People were dying long before they showed up.

Affordable housing, shelters, and housing first programs are the real keys to solving this. But there's a lot of people who would rather eat their right arm than see a drug addict (or other undesirable) get government assistance.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

Drug addictions spiral out of control because their lifes suck and they want an escape. If you make their lifes harder you dont help anyone. Drug addiction should be treated in the same way as mental illness.

But the most effective way to help them is to give them a perspective and a way to get out of their situation before they have to stop using the drugs, i.e. give them housing and have a doctor supply them their drugs, then slowly taper them off.

Or just dont let people get homeless in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

There's some real societal stigma against living and working out of a vehicle and I think thats hurting lots of people right now.

I think that we should promote living in vehicles and the nomadic lifestyle as a legitimate alternative to the conventional housing and renting system, while getting the government dollars to flow into charities like the homes on wheels alliance to help buy and convert used vehicles into minimal living spaces for those in need.

The current housing market is fucked, the current renting market is fucked, more and more people are forced to choose between paying rent and not dying of starvation, inevitably choosing the latter and getting evicted. Its going to take either a complete breakdown of the system or decades of gradual correction to fix these problems at all. In the meantime, let's swallow our pride and accept that living in a pod on wheels is better than living on the street.

Also, I think the big issue with homelessness from the perspective of most people is visibility. Its not an issue as long as you can't see it and it doesnt affect property values. Putting people in cars helps take away some visibility of that reality for the yuppies and homeowners who can't stand seeing such things. One of the comments here complained about seeing a homeless person shamelessly popping under a bridge. If that homeless person had a blacked-out van with a sleeping cot and had pooped in a bucket out of view you would never know what's going on in that random van.

Of course some homeless people are just nasty pricks who dont give a fuck and would shit in public anyways hard on that Diogenes philosophy, but thats human nature for you.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Certainly a modest proposal.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago

I'm not sure "out of sight, out of mind" is a good solution to the unaffordability of housing in our late stage capitalism society.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Pretending like people who have issues with homeless people camping just hate the idea of seeing poor people in the presence is a massive straw man.

A lot of homeless who choose to camp in heavily urban areas are deeply disturbed, and almost proudly violate every rule of society.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

I'd think that if society fucked me over enough to the point that I had to sleep on her streets, I'd proudly violate all the rules too.

You expect people to respect the institution that bent them over until they broke? Fuck that.

Respect is reciprocal. I'll give it at first but if it's obvious I'm not getting any back, then there's no sense in continuing to give it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

So on that last part, residents in areas with a high population of disruptive homeless would feel well within their rights to criminalize their behavior.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

To that I would say society is failing them either further.

How much does it cost to criminalize homelessness? Between enforcement, jailing, feeding, clothing, trials, lawyers, DAs, etc. It's a fucking fortune.

Why do we go right to the stick, when the carrot is cheaper and more humane? Why aren't we helping them instead of spending more money to strip away whatever shreds of dignity they have left?

God forbid we help people down on their luck. Much better for us to exert even more effort and capital to dehumanize them. Surely that'll keep everyone from choosing a vagrant lifestyle and make them pull themselves up by their bootstraps.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Something about a dog biting back after being kicked around enough

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I bet you haven't heard what those British MPs said about homelessness.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Considering this is meant to be NYC, I don't really think that's relevant.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

This attitude towards homelessness is not unique to NYC.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

Background details rule!!

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