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Why do people not like the Ring of Tenacity? (lemy.lol)

submitted 2 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Is there some aspect of this or the math behind it that I do not understand? If it reduces the damage that you take, that is good, right? Or does it only reduce damage to me if I would otherwise get a mortal attack against me?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Hopefully I don't get harrased here for giving an opinion

The ring itself is just straight up, honest damage reduction, both physical and magical.

It's also not your only source of damage reduction, so you stack it on top of other forms of damage reduction, there's a lot of them

Evasion, shields, armor, utility, buffs and debuffs, sustain. All those things are enhanced by the ring of tenacity.

It's kind of the same logic for the warrior Hold fast ability (3-6 armor) and the warden's Barkskin ability ( 0-150% of her level, it goes up to 0-45 armor at level 30)

Even if the Warden blocks significantly more damage, the warrior gets more benefit from the extra armor since he has a passive shield to back it up

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You didn't even have an opinion on it, you just kindaaaa said what it does

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I think it's the best defensive ring in the game

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's literally the only... wait, excluding elements, I almost forgot that clowny clown ring.. only defensive ring without counting clown clowny ring in the game, ofc it's the best defensive ring in the game.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Also including arcana with a good defensive glyph, evasion, and haste

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Then haste is the most defensive one no contest if you count it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I like tenacity more, but I understand

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If it wasn't fundamentally flawed and just putting those upgrades in your armor making the damage reduction not only more effective but also giving you the possibility of having a better ring (literally every other ring) maybe I would like it too.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The thing is, putting everything on armor doesn't get you magic resistance.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Just dodge the attacks. They are more punishing but avoidable. Once you have enough skill, you won't need to resist them, because you'll just not get hit

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Okay, that's like saying "if you know how to manage food, you should never need the horn of plenty"

Stuff just happens, I like having the ring of tenacity

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Horn of Plenty is still good for On Diet...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yeah it is. Case in point, everything has it's use

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

No, not everything. For example: Ring of Elements, arguably Ring of Tenacity, Ring of Wealth while ascending, Sandals of Nature, Alchemist's toolkit, for some reason the Amulet of Yendor, blocking enchantment (it's a joke, it's trigger chance is really rare and it gives low shield for a small amount of turns. If you upgrade the weapons to make it more effective you won't need the shield, enemies just die) and all the shards (free achievement or gold)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You cab make it work with beserker subclass and lots of upgrades. In that case it does make you into a huge tank, and it's a viable choice. Otherwise it isn't worth it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Even then, just using those upgrades on a plate armor is better

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Ring of Tenacity really should be the armor equivalent of Ring of Force.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

It kind of is already? It just works in an unintuitive way.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It reduces damage to you based on the level of the ring and your current missing HP. The effect is mediocre unless either: the ring is high level (5 or 6+) or you're missing a lot of HP. Even then you need the ring at +8 if you want ~50% damage reduction at 50% HP. Compared to just about any other option upgrading tenacity is a poor choice.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

But even with upgrades and at low health, it will never reduce damage under 1 hp, so you'll always take damage... Which isn't a good combo when at 1 hp. That's why this ring is a very bad idea. Unless you are going with Faith Is My Armor, you could just do yourself a favor and dump those upgrades into your armor; which will reduce the damage that you take to 0 hp; and you can stay at high levels of health for your armor to be effective.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yeah, I think we're saying the same thing here. The loss of other utility just doesn't make upgrade dumping tenacity very worthwhile and at the levels you're most likely to encounter the effect without dumping it's just not good enough to justify using when you can slot literally anything else.

I guess it could be fun on the right kind of berserker build but that's about all I can come up with.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It is rather a snooze compared to basically all of the other rings. Sure it can reduce the damage you take, but it takes effort to maximize it's benefit.

Consider that it's affect scales with how low your health is. It also applies the reduction after armor and it rounds the result in favor of damage.

This is just a ring you'll wear until you find something better, or transmute it, if it's upgraded.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Add to this that it's pretty opaque as to how it actually functions, and the description is very easy to misconstrue, it just feels both unreliable and deceptive.

I don't like the ring of tenacity and usually swear out loud if I get one.