"Shows"? So Loki and The Boys, then? One is about dimensions, and the other is the exact polar opposite of this idea.
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Dimensions like height, width and depth?
I have not watched it.
Yes. Loki is mostly a home improvement show with some action.
That the new genre. Check out "litrpg". Starts with discovery of "the system" (basically a machine god). Invariably leads to shopping and a new house.
Not really... What hero/story is this?
These movies are all about mass destruction, aliens and fast travel around the planet, universe and interdimensionally. They aren't about protecting unrealized capital gains or a villain that takes control of all abandoned vehicles in junk yards, illegally parks them in cities with his mind and then jeopardizes police time with them writing millions of parking tickets that will NEVER... BE... PAID!!!!
The first Black Panther kinda goes Iike the comic I guess
Sounds like Megamind type of plan
One of my favorite tweets goes something like "the morals of a society live in the myths they tell. Superheroes, our demigods, show up to fix the problem then go back to their day jobs"
It used to be true... But I think tastes have changed
The Avengers are cops.
We need to stop pretending this marvel movies are woke. Zemo should not be the good guy.
Zemo? The same incompetent-but-indestructible Zemo of Hydra? Good Guy?
Movie zemo
I probably didn't watch it. Now that it think of it, i stopped watching new marvel movies after ant-man.
They took the nazi aspect out of his character.
Comic book zemo no, but this is a different Zemo with a different origin.
Exactly, but I don't think the writers see it that way
The actual superhero/blockbuster/action/thriller propaganda is that problems are always caused by a few bad apples. But there is no spoiling the bunch. Once the newspaper and honorable elder governmentals get wind of it all is return to the good old status quo.
That is the real problem - that we learned to not question the rules of the system that lead to negative outcomes. That rules and conditions that make negative outcomes all but inevitable.
Of course debating the financing of institutions and bylaws that impact socioeconomic policies would make for an awfully dull superhero movie!
Rewatching old Batman TAS and am surprised how many times I take the criminal's side. Batman there just reinforcing the capitalist patriarchy. Turns out he's not the hero we need.
Ok, but Batman is there to protect innocents, not solve systemic issues. I donβt care how tragic your back story, when you start freezing people to death, turning them in to plants, or murdering them in mundane ways, youβre the bad guy.
Also, Batman throws them in Arkham Asylum expecting them to get help. Bring it up with Arkham why they keep reoffending.
I'd buy that if he weren't already also in a position to help solve systemic issues.
Thereβs the Wayne Foundation that doesβ¦ stuff. I dunno I donβt know much about it.
I think that precisely what makes TAS good - and the good Batman stories in general - is how, at least in characters' first appearances, it seems that the idea is to show how social problems have driven these "villains" crazy, and the objective is always, with some exceptions (i.e. Red Claw), to make the audience sympathize with them, producing social awareness of this problems in the audience. Unfortunately, as the characters are reused, they are reduced to caricatured villains and the incentive to sympathize with them fades. For example, Two-Face appears as an antagonist in 6 episodes and only in the stories Two-Face and Second Chance is he depicted as a human being. And this only gets worse in the sequel: The New Batman Adventures.
I actually think it's a good thing that, despite generally showing some sympathy, Batman always opposes his antagonists when they reach a point of social rupture: Batman is not a revolutionary, because Bruce Wayne could never be a revolutionary. Batman not being exactly on the side I would be on is not a problem: it gives the cartoon a verisimilitude.
Now, regarding "the hero we need" and other ideas of the sort, present in Nolan's films and Miller's comics, they are radically fascist, there's nothing to discuss.
I mean He is a billionaire lol
What did Clayface do wrong, exactly, except go after a rich asshole?
Not related to the movies themselves but I remember from the original Spider-Man run in the first 100 issues, Spidey goes to a prison riot and understands the guards are the abusers and supports the formation of the inmates union iirc
What superhero movies are you watching?
I guess the aliens destroying the world are technically changing the status quo
The Boys and Invincible
The one where a brutal space pig who was committing genocide on an alien race until she found out they had women whose lesson at the end of the movie is to be more emotional as she uses a weapon that allows her to destroy an aircraft carrier at will. The ones where a monarchist ethnostate that tortures outsiders is presented as a utopia. The ones where a rich arms dealer gave the most powerful weapon system on the planet to some kid he liked. The ones where a dumb frat boy causes inter dimensional wars by acting like a dumb frat boy.
I feel like this had to have been made by someone who doesn't watch superhero TV shows or movies. I'm watching X-Men right now and it's the complete opposite of this.
X-Men has always been the anti-status quo option...
But now that they're part of Disney, you can expect the next appearance to be more pro-status quo.
"You have a point about the need for society to improve somewhat, Professor Mayhem, but then you started eating babies so everything you just said is invalid! It's awesome how the status quo doesn't need to be changed at all!" 
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