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Artificial intelligence is worse than humans in every way at summarising documents and might actually create additional work for people, a government trial of the technology has found.

Amazon conducted the test earlier this year for Australia’s corporate regulator the Securities and Investments Commission (ASIC) using submissions made to an inquiry. The outcome of the trial was revealed in an answer to a questions on notice at the Senate select committee on adopting artificial intelligence.

The test involved testing generative AI models before selecting one to ingest five submissions from a parliamentary inquiry into audit and consultancy firms. The most promising model, Meta’s open source model Llama2-70B, was prompted to summarise the submissions with a focus on ASIC mentions, recommendations, references to more regulation, and to include the page references and context.

Ten ASIC staff, of varying levels of seniority, were also given the same task with similar prompts. Then, a group of reviewers blindly assessed the summaries produced by both humans and AI for coherency, length, ASIC references, regulation references and for identifying recommendations. They were unaware that this exercise involved AI at all.

These reviewers overwhelmingly found that the human summaries beat out their AI competitors on every criteria and on every submission, scoring an 81% on an internal rubric compared with the machine’s 47%.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Here is the summary by AI

The article suggests AI is worse than humans at summarizing documents, based on one outdated trial. But really, Crikey is just feeling threatened. AI is evolving fast, and its ability to handle vast amounts of data without the human biases Crikey often exhibits is undeniable. While they nitpick AI’s limitations, they ignore how much better it will get—probably even better than their reporters. Maybe they’re just jealous that AI could do in seconds what takes humans hours!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

"AI" or Large Language Models, are designed by definition to give averaged answers. So they're not just averaging on the text you give them, they're averaging it with all general text of the training model, to create a probabilistically average result based on all of it.

There's no way around this, because it's simply how such systems work. It's their lifeblood to produce a "best guess" across large amounts of training data ...which is done by averaging out all that language. A large amount of language... Hence the name.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Artificial intelligence is worse than humans in every way at summarizing documents

In every way? How about speed? The goal is to save human time so if AI is faster and the summary is good enough, then it is a success. I guarantee it is faster. Much faster.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

A summary is useless if it’s not accurate.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

47% is a fail. 81% is an A-... Sure the AI can fail faster than a human can succeed, but I can fail to run a marathon faster than an athlete can succeed.

I guess by the standards we use to judge AI I'm a marathon runner!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'd heard that Canada gives out As down into the 80% range but I thought I was being fed a line

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Yeah 0- 49% is an F 50-59 is a D 60-69 is a C 70-79 is a B 80-89 is an A 90-100 is an A+

It means that 10-20% of exams and assignments can be used to really challenge students without unfairly affecting grades of those who meet curriculum expectations.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

If I want to get a better sense of lemmy than headlines, that 47% success at summarizing all the posts is good enough and much faster than I can even skim

If I want to code a new program, that 47% is probably pretty solid at structure and boilerplate so good enough. It can save me a lot of time

If I want to summarize the statuses of my entire team, that 47% may be sufficient for a Slack update to keep everyone up to speed but not enough to send to management

If I’m writing my thesis, that 47% is abject failure

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

If you miss key information the summary is useless.

If the structure of the code is bad then using that boilerplate will harm your ability to maintain the code FOREVER.

There are use cases for it, but it has to be used by someone who understands the task and knows the outcome they're looking for. It can't replace any measure of skill just yet, but it behaves as if it can which is hazardous.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

If you make enough mistakes, speed is a detriment not a benefit. Increasing speed allows you to produce more summaries but if you still need to correct and edit them all you've done is add a step where a human has to still read the document to the level where they could summarize it and edit the AI summary. Therefore the bottleneck of a human reading the document and working on a summary is still there. It would only potentially make it slightly easier if the corrections needed are small and obvious.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago

This is an old study, they tested University level adults against the standard Llama2-70B.

Kinda absolete now, the model has completely fallen out of use, for the newer and far better 3 and 3.1 Versions. It also wasnt fine tuned for summarization, and while base L2-70B was OK, it wasnt great at anything without fine tuning.

This clickbait title also sounds like self gratification, the abysmal reading comprehension in the Internet is directly counter to it. The average human found on the Internet doesnt approch the level of literary capabilities, that those ten human testers showed in the study.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

To all of you AI haters out there, stay away from the two minute papers yt channel. You'll get very sad at the actual state of AI.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Also beware the AI Explained channel, where the creator is full-time investigating and evaluating cutting edge development in AI. You might even glimpse what's coming.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Are we talking 10% worse and 95% cheaper? Or 50% worse and 10% cheaper? Or 90% worse and 95% cheaper?

Because that last one is good enough for fiscal conservatives. Hell, the second one is good enough for fiscal conservatives.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The linked pdf lists the deficiencies of the LLM responses. They are varied and it sometimes misses the mark completely or cant grasp vital context.

Still pretty useless comparison, they testet 10 university level humans against Llama2-70B. The model has fallen out of use completely by now and was never really great at summarization. The study didnt fine tune it either, so this isnt really representative of the current situation.

There are far better models out, that were either especially trained for summarization or can be easily fine tuned to excel at it. Not to mention the Llama3 and 3.1 series, with the crazy 405B model.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Knowing this it seems like a very low quality study. They should probably redo this with multiple conditions.

  • Base Llama 3
  • Tuned Llama 3
  • Untrained human summarizer
  • trained/professional human summarizer
[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

There are far better models out

I've heard this refrain a few times. Still waiting for it to pan out.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

The next update will fix everything, just need this one hotfix and everything will be solved, just wait.

Just one more update, okay? Just one more. One update. Just one.

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