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Brazilian court orders suspension of Elon Musk’s X after it missed deadline
(www.theguardian.com)
this post was submitted on 30 Aug 2024
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Wait, there are 20,000 ISPs!?
idk where that number came from, but there's a survey from 2022 listing 11,630 providers. That would average 2.08 per municipality and makes sense imo. The larger-scale telecom infrastructure is still an oligopoly though.
I'm guessing they mean regional subsidiaries, Brazil is big, but not that big.
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I'm kind of on the fence with this one.
As much as I dislike Twitter/X and it's owner; their 'crime' is refusing to silence the political opponents of those currently in power, then further refusing to pay fines for that decision.... Decisions, at least in principle, I agree with.
That said: I haven't actually seen the content that's at the center of this dispute; the posts of those political opponents. I'm also not very familiar with Brazils politics, so perhaps there's context I'm missing.
their ‘crime’ is refusing to silence the political opponents of those currently in power
First they came for the christofascists who attempted a coup, and I didn't speak out 😔
musk has no problems with taking down political opponents' xitter accounts when the request is coming from "right wing" governments (rather authoritarian or far-right)
he doesn't care about freedom of speech, he only cares about his kind of speech. If he refused all take down requests, i would agree with you
~~As far as I understand this is a right-wing authoritarian gov silencing left-wing opponent's.~~
~~Am i mistaken?~~
/pre-post edit: Yes, yes I am.
That certainly throws out any bit of sympathy I may of had... Though I still think they made the right decision to refuse to comply.
¯\(-_-)/¯ oh well.
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When you’re too corrupt, even for Brazil, that really does say something.
They're more WhatsApp people than Twitter people anyway.
But this is pretty standard legal stuff. Musk just doesn't think he has to send a lawyer down to argue his case. He can blow it off, thinking that he's simply above the law.
It isn't even corruption, per say. It's just entitlement slamming into another state's basic sovereignty.
They're more WhatsApp people than Twitter people anyway.
I thought they are orkut people?
Orkut lmao that’s a deep cut. Remember my Brasilian friend growing up using it and I was like wtf is this.
Well, maybe I’m just too GenX, but, to me, that’s a distinction without a difference. WhatsApp is texting with extra steps, and Twitter is for Nazis. I’ve never used the former and gave up the latter along with FB and insta early on during covid. Reddit was my last social whatever, and I jumped that ship last June for this last shout.
I’ve never had tiktaky or snapsnore. Most of my time on my phone is spent either here or listening to news podcasts— which is pretty much what I did as a teenager: listening to NPR as my morning routine then a news/music mix throughout the day.
Hmmm…. How unusual and a little confusing to be both impressed and disappointed in oneself… well that’s why some of our best paid scientists are furiously genetically engineering new strains of cannabis! So I don’t have to deal with this shit!
WhatsApp is texting with extra steps, and Twitter is for Nazis.
No shortage of Nazis on Whatsapp. And not the Discount Donny Groypers, either. Real Boys From Brazil. People with an actual Nazi pedigree.
How unusual and a little confusing to be both impressed and disappointed in oneself
Eh. We all eat from the trough of ideology.
lol, if you say so. I’m glad I’m not the only one who feels a little let down with myself ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Tchau, Elon
sounds feasible except the "blocking the use of vpn apps" part?
He went back on that part (in Portuguese):
Yeah, this left a bad taste.
At least he revoked this section of the decision a couple hours later.
Yeah, that line was particularly concerning. I'm all for watching Elon get a Brazilian beatdown, but that feels like a pretty large overstep.
Justice Moraes had also said that any person in Brazil who tried to still use X via common privacy software called a virtual private network, or VPN, could be fined nearly $9,000 a day. But after swift backlash across Brazil, including from academics who have supported him, he reversed that move in an amended order late Friday.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/30/world/americas/brazil-elon-musk-x-blocked.html
Good to see someone listening to people more knowledgeable than them.
At best that’s just unclear. Blocking VPNs isn’t impossible, just impractical. And it’s not like Brazil just became China. At worst, the just made accessing X impracticality expensive for its users— which, in Brazil, is a lot of people. In typical Brazilian fashion, they’re hitting Elon in the wallet.
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