Moronic or bad faith argument. Why do you even try?
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Would you believe that the people in a democracy look poorly on attempts to overthrow that democracy? Shocking stuff, but it's true.
Unrelated, I do have questions. I find myself wondering where you came by your taste for leather. Did you acquire it later in life or were you born with a boot in your mouth? And is the brain damage from licking up all the polish, or being dropped repeatedly on your head?
And to be fair, the US isn't a "democracy". It's a constitutional republic with democratically elected representatives. Semantics, I know, but accuracy counts.
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I've never seen someone both frothing at the mouth and have a raging hard on at the same time.
In my defense, those were both your mother's fault and you didn't knock before you walked in.
You can definitely tell both a person's level of intelligence and creativity, by how quickly they resort to "your mother" jokes.
I'll leave you to your sexually charged fantasies about hate-fucking the opposition.
Unappreciated wit is, thankfully, a tragedy you'll never have to experience.
Alternately: Your boos mean nothing, I've seen what you cheer for
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Replace Joe with the evil orange man and watch the like/dislike flip instantly!!!!
Didn't Trump love to talk about that Alzheimers/Dementia-Test he once took and how well he performed and remembered that 5 things they asked him to remember? This sounds like a joke I already heard. Maybe we can look up the dislike ratio from back then.
I do recall something like that, and I recall him passing it. The dude brags all the time about dumb shit, I will wholeheartedly agree to that.
Your point?
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Yeah post that are low effort “orange man bad” don’t get shit on and deleted all the time you muppet.
Funny that you call me a Muppet while defending a literal Muppet. You do you.
Literally not defending anyone. Learn to read. It’s in my post history disputing misinformation about Trump and clicking on the post show it as deleted but I know facts won’t get in the way of your feelings.
Oh boo hoo. Show me on the doll where the orange man hurt you
Show me on the doll where the orange man hurt you
It was right in the democracy. He thought it was my pussy; he's not particularly bright.
Most clever response yet! He didn't hurt your democracy though, he didn't try to keep the opposition off the ballot.
Thanks, but I didn't need that confirmed by someone who doesn't know what treason looks like. As to the ballot, it's no skin off my nose if you want your state to waste every electoral college vote they're allotted.
treason /trē′zən/ noun
The betrayal of allegiance toward one's own country, especially by committing hostile acts against it or aiding its enemies in committing such acts.
The betrayal of someone's trust or confidence.
The offense of attempting to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance, or of betraying the state into the hands of a foreign power; disloyalty; treachery.
Seems the one libs are all hanging their hat on is the 1st part of point 3. However, Trump was president on 1/6/21, so who was he trying to overthrow? Himself? Has he attempted to overthrow Biden in the ensuing years? If calling the election "rigged" can be construed as such, you've got an even bigger problem on your hands as Raskin, Waters, Schiff, among others, did the same in 2016, so they're traitors?
Now, if you want to talk about how Biden withheld a billion dollars from Ukraine unless the prosecutor investigating Burisma, and is now dumping billions of our dollars over there... and remember kids, Ukraine has never been our ally. If you feel it's prudent to start another proxy war with Russia, ask Afghanistan how that turned out.
He didn’t hurt your democracy though, he didn’t try to keep the opposition off the ballot.
Yeah he just repeatedly called the election rigged and tried to replace the Biden electoral votes with Trump ones by means of an armed insurrection.
But hey, he failed (just like how he fails at everything else) so no harm no foul. That's how law and society work, right?
Sneaky edit! You couldnt find any instance of it being armed, could you????
Armed with what? Cameras and cellphones? Get your news from somewhere other than the daily kos. And I recall Hillary's plot to get electors to "vote their concious"
https://nypost.com/2016/12/15/celebrities-beg-electors-to-be-heroes-and-vote-against-trump/
Armed with what?
Guns, knives, blunt weapons, tasers, bear spray, hand cuffs and zip ties.
Taking the stand in the seditious conspiracy case against Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes and four associates, Terry Cummings showed jurors an AR-15 firearm and an orange box for ammunition that he contributed to the so-called quick reaction force the Oath Keepers had staged at the hotel outside of Washington in case they needed weapons.
“I had not seen that many weapons in one location since I was in the military,” said Cummings, a veteran who joined the Oath Keepers in Florida in 2020.
But a review of the federal charges against the alleged rioters shows that they did come armed, and with a variety of weapons: stun guns, pepper spray, baseball bats and flagpoles wielded as clubs. An additional suspect also allegedly planted pipe bombs by the headquarters of the Democratic and Republican parties the night before the riot and remains at large.
Online sleuths who have aided in hundreds of Jan. 6 prosecutions say he is the same man they identified to the FBI who is currently individual No. 200 on the bureau’s Capitol Violence page, which he first appeared on three years ago. Videos and photographs from the Capitol on Jan. 6 showed him with what appears to be a gun in his waistband. As NBC News previously reported, that man, John Emanuel Banuelos, told Salt Lake City police that he was at the Capitol and had been captured on film with a gun. “I was in the D.C. riots,” he told the investigators, according to a police transcript. “I’m the one in the video with the gun right here.”
And I recall Hillary’s plot to get electors to “vote their concious”
The source you've linked quotes Martin Sheen and other "celebrities", not Hillary Clinton, who conceded the election as someone who believed in democracy would (despite being much more popular than Trump and winning the national vote by millions).
Also, you should know that official electors are not always bound. As a Trump voter I know you're not big on education or knowledge, but if you want you can read all about unpledged electors here.
Meanwhile, what Trump and his gang of indicted co-conspirators did was to submit a slate of fraudulent and fake electors to the election certification process in order to literally steal swing state electoral college votes and appoint himself President. Or as he likes to say "dictator on day one".
Here's a list of the names of the fraudulent electors in each state that Trump tried to overthrow.
And don't forget how they beat that one police officer to death with a flagpole.
Literally didn't happen. And it was a fire extinguisher.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/19/politics/brian-sicknick-death-us-capitol-riot/index.html
She still calls him an "illegitimate president"
The "dictator on day one" statement was made as a joke, but you know libs, no sense of humor.
I'm well aware that official electors are not bound. Precisely why Charlie Sheen and others made that video. With her fingerprints all over it.
Were any weapons brandished at the capitol riot, let alone a firearm? I'm sure the streets of DC are 100% completely free of any type of weapon, because, laws. Seems leaving your weapons in a hotel room would be pretty stupid if you're going to commit an "insurrection". I'd be willing to wager you cheered when James Hodgkinson shot up the republican softball game, an actual terrorist attack (terrorism being defined as -
"The use of violence or the threat of violence, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political goals."
Most literate online Trump supporter.
Lemmy feels way worse than reddit when it comes to bias. Tankies and freaks everywhere
Replace "an old man" with "an old man who betrayed his oath of office and our country", and watch the like/dislike flip instantly!!!!
Fixed that for you. Stop pretending like treason is okay.
No, I said what I said. When did he get charged with treason?
Oh, he didn't need to be charged; it's been ruled that he fomented an insurrection in the Courts, and that's treason. Now that gets kicked up to SCOTUS for review, but here's where you're in trouble: if any higher Court including the SCOTUS wants to overturn that ruling, they're going to have to show their work as to why, and they can't, because it's simple fact as shown by the video evidence of the day and sworn testimony by everyone who didn't hide behind the Fifth Amendment.
Now. I don't expect you to accept any of that, but it's dangerous to go alone, so take this block. ~~It won't help you, but much like everyone you've ever cared for I'll be happy never thinking about you again.~~ Okay okay, that was excessive; I didn't really mean it. I'm sorry.
Pinpoint exactly how he tried to remain in power. The peaceful transition of power occurred on 1/20/21 as scheduled, nary a violent incident to be found. Your zeal to see a man you disagree with destroyed, being fed by pure idiots as well as some who have far more nefarious intentions, is undeniable. Reams of documents and thousands of hours of video evidence still haven't surfaced. Yet they keep feeding you lie after lie. If such evidence existed, it would be plastered all over the news, and I would stand beside you to throw him in prison.
On a different topic, but one that's more in line with the meme posted that started all this, do you agree that Biden should be impeached and put in prison for what remains of his life for the documents he was in no way legally allowed to take possession of after his time as vice president, nor were they secured in any way, shape or form? Or do you agree with AG Garland that he's unfit to stand trial?
Huh. I can't seem to block you from this instance; I don't know if that's a lemmy.world problem or a sh.itjust.works problem. Ah well, since we're still here: https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2023/12/23SA300.pdf
- A large group of people forcibly entered the Capitol, overwhelming law enforcement officers on site.
- The mob was armed with a wide array of weapons, including metal bars from police barricades and officers' batons and riot shields.
- The mob violently assaulted police officers throughout the day, using actual and threatened force.
- The mob coordinated and demonstrated unity of purpose, marching through the Capitol, chanting threats against members of Congress and Vice President Pence.
- Upon breaching the Capitol, the mob pursued its intended target—the certification of the presidential election—reaching the House and Senate chambers within minutes.
- The mob's unified purpose was to hinder or prevent Congress from counting the electoral votes and certifying the 2020 presidential election, effectively halting the electoral certification process.
The transfer of power happened in spite of Trump, not because he didn't make the attempt. Rebut the Court, not me. But this would require you to read, which I know you won't do, and argue in good faith, which you aren't and won't.
As to your second topic: Of course, as long as you'll agree that whatever sentence Biden gets Trump also gets but to greater scale, to reflect the difference in both the number and sensitivity of the documents retained. See, that's the difference between Democrats and Republicans: we're willing to hold our leaders to account and we expect them to be subject to the same laws the rest of us are.
Sure a bunch of fuckwits did some dumb shit, and quite a few did some really bad shit. For all of them, I fully support throwing the book at them. However, there is zero proof that Trump is culpable in it.
If you really want to block me but can't, I'll go ahead and stop engaging you. I fully respect your wishes and I'm truly sorry if whatever I said somehow caused you grief. I wish the best for you and hope that someday you'll look back on this conversation objectively, and not through a lens polarized by political beliefs.
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Just because he wasn't charged with treason doesn't mean he didn't commit treason by advocating an armed insurrection against our democracy. (See: the US post-Civil War Reconstruction Era for further examples.)
And if you want to why he wasn't charged for that, it's because of Republican Special Counsel Ken Starr's disastrous opinion that sitting presidents are above the law and can't be prosecuted, and must instead be impeached--which, if you remember, Trump was, not once but twice. Of course now Trump is arguing that he's still above the law and deserves "total immunity", which only further shows that he is, in fact, a wanna-be dictator.
Saying "Trump wasn't charged with a crime so therefore he did nothing wrong" and "Trump can't be charged with a crime because current and former US Presidents must have total immunity from prosecution" is very clearly circular logic.
Well, you should probably elect better representation if you feel he committed treason by telling people to peacefully and patriotically make their voices heard, and that super treasonous decree telling everyone to go home. Considering not even AOC or Ilhan Omar brought up charges of treason, gonna go ahead and guess that there's literally zero evidence, let alone reason to even try, but you seem to know more than they do. Also, for a dictator, he did a pretty piss poor job of remaining in power. Also pretty sure Ken Starr never stated sitting presidents are above the law, we do still have the impeachment process, which you also brought up. Yes, he was impeached (brought up on charges) by a liberal house, but was subsequently acquitted (found not guilty) by a conservative senate.
It's not murder if they don't find the body!
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