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Labour could strip members of vote in future leadership contests (www.thetimes.com)

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Senior figures in the party are pushing for a controversial rule change at next month’s party conference, which would change the way Labour elects its leader if the party is in power.

The scheme is viewed as a way to avoid a repeat of the Tory leadership contest in 2022, when Tory members made Truss leader despite her not having the support of the majority of MPs.
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Allies of Starmer believe a similar [long leadership contest] should be avoided at all costs, by reforming how his successor is elected if the party is still in government. They want only MPs to have a say over who should succeed Starmer as leader.

Those behind the move also believe the timing is right for Starmer to use his first party conference as prime minister to tighten the centre-left wing’s grip on the party.

They are confident that conference delegates this year are tilted in the “moderate” wing’s favour and would pass the proposal if it were put to a vote.

“There’s a plan to bring a constitutional reform to conference that would cut out the membership for electing a leader when we’re in government, and only allow the MPs to decide,” said a senior Labour source.

“This is seen as the last reform that needs doing to syphon off any threat from the left,” they added. A second said: “It’s known as the ‘Liz Truss lock’. The Tories compounded the country’s misery by letting their members put someone in No 10 the parliamentary party wouldn’t work with. So we need to make sure that can’t happen again.”
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Labour declined to comment. However, a source denied the party leadership was behind the move or would support it, calling it a “non-starter”.

Starmer did successfully change the rules for a leadership contest in 2021, when he managed to raise the number of MP supporters a candidate needed to make it on to the ballot from 10 per cent to 20 per cent.

He also tried to move the leadership voting rights back to an electoral college system, but was forced to abandon it in the face of opposition from union leaders and other left-wingers.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

That picture of Truss has an expression just like my dog when she gets an ear infection.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

I could see Starmer's Labour doing this for sure; they don't want another Jeremy Corbin again, and are doing their best to rid the party of outspoken 'leftists'.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Hmmm. I'm broadly supportive of reducing the influence of the membership vote as I think it's had a disastrous effect on both major parties, but I might need some convincing about removing it entirely.

The leader must be able to effectively lead their Parliamentary party. Thresholds for MP support is one effective gateway toward ensuring they do and it'll certainly work after such a massive landslide as in June, but longer term it may not be enough given the number of persistent rebels in the Parliamentary party. Perhaps something approaching a veto or easier ousting from the PLP (like the 1922 Committee's confidence system, perhaps) would do the trick?

Regardless, conference is going to be very fun this year.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You're broadly supportive of less party democracy?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Having democratically elected leaders choose the candidate rather than people who've paid a few quid to join? It's not that clear that either alternative is more democratic than the other.

Here's an idea: let anyone eligibile to vote in an election choose party leaders. Every possible stakeholder would have a voice, so one could argue that it's a more democratic process than either that are being discussed.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Err as far as I know. Tory members don't vote for the leader. Just MPs

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

You err.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Truss was chosen by the membership.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Nope, MPs vote down to the final two then it goes to the membership — hence Liz Truss. This didn't happen with Sunak's ascension because he faced no opposition.

As Tim Montgomerie often says, as rabidly right wing as some of the '22 is, the membership put them to shame. Leaves them in a really awkward position right now with the soul of their party being fought over, with most sane MPs backing more moderate candidates despite knowing the membership will favour the most rampantly right wing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

What a cool and normal country we have.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

I hope this is just the Murdoch press stirring shit, but it does sound like what Starmer and co. would do. Pack the Parliamentary Party with allies and then make them the only ones who can decide future leaders.

Reminds me of my favourite Yes, Minister bit.