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There is a tendency for real doctors with backing from Academia or whoever's in charge of deciding how you science to just plain getting it wrong and not realizing it for a long time.

Homeopathy is a good example of this, as it appeared to get great results when it was created during the Bubonic Plague and had such staying power to the point that in the 1800's it was considered a legitimate and mainstream field of medical practice.

Now today we know Homeopathy is nonsense... Remembers New Age Healing is still a thing Okay, those of us with sense know homeopathy is garbage. With the only reason it was getting such wonderful results was because the state of medicine for a long period of time in human history was so god awful that not getting any treatment at all was actually the smarter idea. Since Homeopathy is basically just "No medicine at all", that's exactly what was happening with its success.

Incidentally this is also why the Christian Science movement (Which was neither Christian nor Science) had so many people behind it, people were genuinely living longer from it because it required people to stop smoking at a time when no one knew smoking killed you.

Anyhow. With that in mind, I want to know if there's a case where the exact opposite happened.

Where Scientists got together on a subject, said "Wow, only an idiot would believe this. This clearly does not work, can not work, and is totally impossible."

Only for someone to turn around, throw down research proving that there was no pseudo in this proposed pseudoscience with their finest "Ya know I had to do it 'em" face.

The closest I can think of is how people believed that Germ Theory, the idea that tiny invisible creatures were making us all sick, were the ramblings of a mad man. But that was more a refusal to look at evidence, not having evidence that said "No" that was replaced by better evidence that said "Disregard that, the answer is actually Yes"

Can anyone who sciences for a living instead of merely reading science articles as a hobby and understanding basically only a quarter of them at best tell me if something like that has happened?

Thank you, have a nice day.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

Lamarckian Theory was criticised for a long time but now we know it isn't entirely false, epigenetic changes that occur can actually be passed on.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 3 months ago

Sugar is the reason for the rise of heart disease that was happening in US. John Yudkin was the one to purpose that sugar was dangerous for our bodies and heart plus responsible for obesity but he couldn't prove it and was criticized by his scientist who were paid by the sugar industry. I forget to state the sugar industry was funding scientist to blame it all on fat. It was a pseudoscience till the 70s and 80s when they found the correlation that Yudkin was missing.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Lmao geology oddly enough

edit: I recommend "A Short History of Nearly Everything" by Bill Bryson, super fun and goes in to a lot of things relevant to this post.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 81 points 3 months ago (2 children)

The germ theory of disease was originally very unpopular with doctors who subscribed to the miasma theory of disease. The idea that a doctor should was their hands before tending to a patient was seen as insulting. Doctors were gentlemen! Their personal hygiene was beyond reproach!

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The idea that rocks sometimes fall from the sky.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That’s pretty wild actually. What, actual rocks? Just fall out of the sky?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Meteors. I stole that from "and the earth will shake" (Robert Anton Wilson). There was a description of The Royal College of Astronomy, or somesuch, harrumphing about such a ridiculous, and ignorant superstition.

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 3 months ago (3 children)

The fact that people with Myalgic Encephalomyelitis originally and demeaningly called Chronic Fatigue Syndrome can’t exercise.

It was first believed to be a mental health disorder where people are scared of doing activity. And patients who said exercising made them worse were treated for hysteria and kinesophobia (fear of exercise).

Now after a decade of so of biomedical research, and after research showing Graded Exercise therapy worked was discredited, we have a steady stream of studies showing different abnormalities and harmful reactions to exercise. Increased autoimmune activation post exercise, microclotting, mitochondial dysfunction, T-cell exhaustion. And most importantly with a dozen or so 2-day CPET studies, we have definitive proof that while healthy controls improve exertional capacity by exercising, these patients are the exact opposite, they worsen.

There’s even been a couple cases of young people 20-30 having a degenerative disease state that killed them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Like hormesis works in reverse for them

[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 months ago

There are unfortunately still a lot of medical practitioners out there who either don't believe in it or know nothing about it. I don't like disclosing my diagnosis with new doctors because you just don't know how they will respond.

Another interesting tidbit, by the way, is that studies have found that people who are more active and athletic are more likely to develop ME. That was the case for me. It's really rough going from being an active, semi-athletic person to being barely able to function.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome (ME/CFS) was originally dismissed by a lot of community doctors as well as more academic medical people. There are still a few who don’t believe in it and dismiss it as a behavioural or attitude problem. Thankfully those people are in the minority now. Unfortunately that doesn’t mean they’re not in influential positions.

One surprising contributor to validating ME/CFS is long covid, which seems to be the same condition but catalysed by a different virus.

I’m not a medical expert and could have mistakes in the above post but it’s generally correct.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago

I hate to be so selfish, but as someone with ME, the research that has accompanied Long Covid has been a real blessing. Prior to Long Covid, so little was being done and few people took ME/CFS seriously.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

A lot of mathematicians made fun of imaginary numbers when they were first proposed. In fact, the name "imaginary numbers" was actually given by skeptics to make fun of it. It kinda makes sense, imaginary numbers are all based off of a couple fairly strange assumptions, but they make otherwise difficult problems solvable.

The whole thing kinda ruined math though. Nowadays, mathematicians spend their entire careers building frameworks based on silly assumptions in the hopes that one day it'll be useful.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

People had similar responses to the ideas of negative numbers and irrational numbers when they were identified. There's a story that a follower of Pythagoras was drown for identifying irrational numbers. I suspect it's not true, but certainly it seems people had a hard time grasping the concept.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

Funny how this happened with negative numbers (subtraction) and irrational numbers (logs and roots), but no one was bothered by fractions (division).

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