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“We’re aware of reports that access to Signal has been blocked in some countries,” Signal says. If you are affected by the blocks, the company recommends turning on its censorship circumvention feature. (NetBlocks reports that this feature lets Signal “remain usable” in Russia.)

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 months ago

Thankfully there are Signal proxies, VPNs and Tor (which can be used on mobile devices through Orbot.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 months ago (7 children)

Client/Server apps will do that in hostile countries, that's why people are moving to decentralized messaging platforms such as Matrix

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Matrix lacks metadata encryption

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (10 children)

And before lacked this and that. It keeps improving, contrast to Signal having the server code closed source for more than a year so the Signal devs could get a headstart and insider knowledge in their Signal-included crytpo coin grief.

How one can trust Signal after them showcasing what they truly stand for is mind blowing.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Is it really that big of a deal? I thought it was only being exposed to room members.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago
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[–] [email protected] 70 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Worth highlighting that Telegram in Russia and WhatsApp in Venezuela - both with vastly larger user bases than Signal - are not blocked...

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 months ago (3 children)

But they are not as secure as Signal

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago

Believe that's the point.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

WhatsApp is the most popular messenger in Russia, not Telegram.

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[–] [email protected] 165 points 3 months ago (4 children)

I take that as a compelling recommendation for Signal.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 months ago

Agreed. Clearly it must do simply what is said on the tin, otherwise why ban it?

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Glad it at least seems easy to circumvent with a VPN

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Their own solution is actually better than a VPN for this use case. It's an encrypted proxy which anyone can download and run, so it's much harder to block.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Time to run some proxies for these oppressed people.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

There are already many signal proxies available, plus an unlimited number of VPNs to choose from (or self-host yourself on a VPS)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

And Signal can be used over Tor through Orbot

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[–] [email protected] 95 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Legitimate countries don't need to ban communications platforms.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I kinda disagree - that's not to say that they don't usually do so for illegitimate reasons (or that these bans are legitimate), but there's plenty of valid reasons why a government would want/need to ban a platform

X, for example, has been giving the UK a whole lot of good reasons why they may wish to consider it (restoring the accounts of people like Tommy Robinson, allowing misinformation, the owner of the platform himself actively spreading that misinformation)

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 months ago (5 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

probably not in anyway unless if bytedance strips the algorithm and sells it to like cloudflare, mozilla for example instead of facebook.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

tiktok is a platform to share information and communicate, yes

which is why the french government banned it in Kanaky ("new caledonia") during the protests there, as it was a tool of communication used by the protesters

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago

I'd say social media platforms are an entire different beast.

Facebook is not the same as Facebook Messenger for instance.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

He said "communications platforms" not "misinformation, social engineering, and mass data collection platform masquerading as a social media platform"

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

you can just say "social media."

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I wish they would apply that standard universally.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Well, one is used as a massive government data collection tool, another does the same thing for private corporations and is profitable.

Profit. That’s why many refuse to make it standard.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago (6 children)

Does ByteDance publish TikTok’s transmission protocol to demonstrate transparency?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_Protocol

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Show me what Stalinism looks like
This is what Stalinism looks like

[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 months ago (2 children)

How is that Stalinist? Censorship isn't some unique rare policy, even 5EYES countries regularly challenge the legality of E2EE.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Stalinism is when thing bad.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago

Stalinism is literally 1984

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