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I got my hearing professionally checked today and all is normal. But I have difficulty hearing people I am dining with, talking in restaurants. Is it me, or is the music just too damn loud?!

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[โ€“] [email protected] 24 points 2 months ago

Because you choose to keep going to restaurants where they play loud music. No idea why you're doing that

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

In some crowded places they do it, so it doesn't feel like a central station.

[โ€“] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

In India, restaurants generally play smooth music at near audible levels.

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

I once read that it's an epigenetic thing and it can be found across the animal kingdom. Some animals are born more sensitive and others less and this is important for the species or social group as a whole. This actually happens on a neuron level.

The less sensitive kind needs to actively search out stimulation, whereas you can leave the more sensitive one alone with a flower and they'll be a happy camper.

And there's so much more to it, for example developmental. Have you ever noticed the difference in sound levels in people's homes? In some places it's just like a warzone. TV on max, dogs barking, kids screaming. Imagine growing up with that. Like a fish in water.

And then there's all the processing disorders..

You can train yourself though if you value it. I enjoy encounters and it bothered me a lot, so I just kept going to busy cafรฉs and bars until my brain finally got the memo. It keeps surprising me how my hearing has become like a sort of precision microphone.

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (7 children)

Off topic, but related to unwanted noise. Why do white waitstaff/restaurants interupt you when you are talking to someone to ask you "How is everything? Everyone doing ok?". removed look at the plate. I haven't touched it since you gave it to me 30 seconds ago. Take a note from Asians. Silently fill the water, observe the vibe, and go if no one says anything. Or some Latino restaurants where they won't do anything unless you explicitly call them over and ask. I'd take loud music you have to shout over if Cindi with a 'i' doesn't interupt conversations.

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Definitely an american thing. I always find it annoying when I travel there. Also, bringing the bill with desert. Let me finish my meal first before giving me hints to get the fuck out

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[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Yes they constantly interrupt. Definitely feels like you are there for them versus they are there for your service. Whole new subject.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

You'll want to smash both your arms as loud as possible on the table while dominantly starting at them.

Works for me every time.

[โ€“] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

It's to ensure your food is up to expectations. Mistakes happen, and a busy dining room dictates a server will help you when they can, not necessarily when you try to flag them down.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

That shit annoys me too. I was just at a restaurant today where the waitress would not only interrupt but then linger to babble on and on. Like bitch I'm on a date, fill my drink and fuck off.

I agree, asian places have the best service. Super respectful and I do appreciate that.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 27 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Hmm. Processing disorders are a thing.

Some restaurants do have damn loud music, though. Most don't where I live but that's probably regional.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

Might be relevant, but I find that American restaurants are generally louder compared to European ones.

Side note: And why is ithe music always fucking neo-country? Sure, I've mostly been to Texas, but I have several albums in my CD collection as a testament to y'all making good music too.

[โ€“] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It isn't. My favorite restaurant--Kuma's Korner, on Belmont in Chicago--is always playing metal.

Goddamn I miss that place... :(

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I need to check it out. Turns out they have one in the suburbs just under 4 miles from me.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

My experience in American restaurants is that the music is usually whatever is currently popular, so there's a lot of hip hop and pop songs about dancing and fucking.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Switched on Pop: Gastropod: Why are restaurants so loud? Plus the science behind the perfect playlist

Episode webpage: http://www.switchedonpop.com

Media file: https://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/pdst.fm/e/chtbl.com/track/524GE/traffic.megaphone.fm/VMP8607546877.mp3?updated=1715910884

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

It doesn't seem to be a super common, general thing where I live. However, there are some more prone to it than others, like places that have a bar and/or otherwise serve alcohol. Typically though it's only the nights they do live music and that's most often weekends and around specific holidays.

Mostly I just avoid pretty much any establishment if they've got live entertainment for the night and I'm there to eat as well as talk with others. I avoid any that are particularly egregious in terms of loud music. I have been with a group where we asked if the volume could be turned down on the speakers one night at a live event where we were one of only a few tables in the entire place and it was clear that nobody was particularly interested in damaging their hearing. The manager slowly slinked over to the performers about 5 - 10 minutes after the request, and they stopped playing shortly after.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Most respectable places have music that is loud at the beginning of service when there are few diners, but then the music gets lower as time goes on and the place fills up.

....not that I reread this, I'm really not implying you dont go to reputable places....really

[โ€“] [email protected] 65 points 2 months ago (5 children)

I have ADHD and I find I have lots of difficulties with auditory processing in high noise floor situations. Also got my hearing checked because I couldn't understand people in loud spaces. Turns out ADHD brains just don't handle processing all that noise well. If I understand it correctly it's because we need to process everything at the same level instead of some things being easy to leave on autopilot. Might not be your case but it sounded familiar so, that's my two bits.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

I just don't go to restaurants/bars with loud music anymore because of this. Buying beer and snacks somewhere else and sitting in public parks with my friends is better and much cheaper.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Same here, stimulant meds help a lot with it. I also have troubles understanding lyrics in songs. English isn't my first language and I really thought that I just don't understand this accents. Turns out that I can understand the lyrics way better when on meds, without it just sounds jibberisch - I can hear the syllables but they don't make any sense.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

So you're basically saying we're doing manual processing of the output stream instead of using pipewires inbuilt filters, like in the PulseAudio days?

[โ€“] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Wow this sounds so familiar. I need to learn more. Any resources you could recommend?

[โ€“] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

https://screening.mhanational.org/screening-tools/adhd/ This seems like a useful test to me for getting a better idea if you should talk to a psychiatrist or not. It's ups and downs getting diagnosed, especially as an adult. I had one psychiatrist give me their full test and questionnaire and decided I was borderline but wouldn't diagnose me or prescribe anything, (I was already on a med that helped but not any of the controlled ones) The next psychiatrist I went to a few years later didn't even have me do the test, we had an in person appointment, (which I was late to) and after we'd talked for about 20 minutes I asked "so, when do we schedule the ADHD assessment?" He said "Oh, no, we don't need to do one, you very clearly have ADHD." XD Honestly though I learned more about it from the experiences of people on social media who had it than I ever learned from a doctor. I'd start with searching ADHD hashtags and see if you resonate with other people's experiences.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[โ€“] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

Since you mentioned you got your hearing checked and everything is okay... Auditory Processing Disorder is a pretty common neurodivergence with a lot of overlap with ADHD/OCD/depression/anxiety/et al. It's common with any or all of the others, but it shows up in neurotypical people too.

I'm ADHD and have APD as well :)

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (6 children)

I'm on the same camp as you and also undiagnosed. I've suspected some form of autism but didn't think ADHD could be my thing

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[โ€“] [email protected] 38 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Tile or concrete floors, hard surface walls, glass windows all reflect sound. As people start talking, if they are drinking they get louder, so then each table is trying to talk over the tables around them. Without acoustic damping, it can get pretty loud.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Some bosses want to make sure you can hear the music at a decent volume at the back tables. Meanwhile the front tables:

[โ€“] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

That's a big part of it, but some people are just loud and some restaurants just play their music way too loud all the time.

[โ€“] [email protected] 118 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's to encourage you to eat faster and leave, so your table is available for the next victim.

[โ€“] [email protected] 52 points 2 months ago (2 children)

This is it. It's why seats/stools look nice but feel uncomfortable after 20 or so minutes.

[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

As a person with digestive problems that lead to hemorrhoids, this one in particular feels like a big fuck you.

[โ€“] [email protected] 48 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I remember seeing this on the news a few years ago. If I remember right, they were interviewing a design firm that does interior design for fast food and fast casual restaurants, and they were talking about all of this. I was really surprised at how candid they were being, since you would think that they would want this to be an industry secret.

The high stools with no back, the music that is too loud, the lights that are a little too bright and kind of hanging down in your field of view: all intentional, so that you're just ever so slightly uncomfortable and you leave a few minutes sooner.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Don't they realize that once people leave such a place, they're never coming back? There are only so many locals in a given area. Unless the place is a tourist trap this seems like a shitty idea for long term business.

[โ€“] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

If the food is amazing, then people will come back. The point is to make the location slightly uncomfortable enough that people want to leave sooner, not that they hate the place. The idea is you need to balance cost of food, and customer turn around time. If you make it very expensive, people won't feel comfortable taking the food to go, even if it is an amazing item. On the flip side, a cheap menu that is very comfortable will be overly cost prohibitive.

[โ€“] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Explains why I don't like eating out and never cared for paying for stuff like the ambiance even at fancy restaurants and prefer take out.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Take out sadly still covers the ambiance

[โ€“] [email protected] 60 points 2 months ago
  1. Create environment actively hostile to remain in for long periods of time
  2. Expect people to work and be productive in said environment for hours on end
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