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In the wake of a Chinese doping scandal, Michael Phelps doubled down Monday on his support for tougher sanctions — including a lifetime ban for anyone who tests positive for a banned substance.

“If you test positive, you should never be allowed to come back and compete again, cut and dry,” Phelps said. “I believe one and done.”

The World Anti-Doping Agency and World Aquatics have acknowledged that 23 Chinese swimmers tested positive for a banned substance ahead of the Tokyo Olympics. The results were not made public until media reports surfaced this year, with both bodies accepting the Chinese explanation that the positive tests were caused by tainted food.

Nine of those swimmers won medals - several as part of relay teams - n Paris, leading British star Adam Peaty to gripe that the playing field was not even.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 months ago

I believe in the Sun Tzu method. You are allowed to fuck up once. Fuck up again, off with the head (well, or a lifetime ban in this case). One and done would ruin too many careers with false positives or people that made a youthful fuck up.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

We've seen this time and time again. Banning things outright just doesn't work. Regulation works.

Also, almost every profession athlete uses steroids in some way or another.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago

Its russian medicine not doping /s

[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 months ago

Fine and well, but coming from a gear-doping genetic freak created in a lab run by fish...

I don't really have an end to that, I just wanted to call him a gear-doping genetic freak created in a lab run by fish.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago (1 children)

This sports stuff is expensive and controversial. Just ban sports competition. Solves the drugs shit and the trans stuff.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Don't ban the competition, ban doping being illegal.

The ratings would be through the roof to watch some freak with more drugs than blood run a sub 8 second 100m right before his heart explodes.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I don't think we should be promoting self harm for entertainment purposes.

Don't get me wrong, I would absolutely watch the Monster League game every Sunday, but it will guaranteed lead to huge swaths of athletes destroying their bodies for ratings. They already do this without destructive performance enhancers, we don't need to encourage it to be worse.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Strongmen manage it, why wouldn't other sports?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

What if they test positive for marijuana? 🤔

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (3 children)

That's like the opposite of a performance enhancer.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Research disagrees

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah; it's a joke referencing Micheal Phelps who was caught smoking weed while not even at the games any more and had this big controversy where people were demanding he have his medals taken away.

It's only a performance enhancer if they have a giant chocolate bar at the end of the event waiting for the winner.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Improves endurance and recovery time. Especially from injuries like broken bones

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Still it was on the list for many years, like alcohol. They can reduce competitive stress.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

As long as there is an appeals process. And it seems there was.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 3 months ago (1 children)

While we're over-hauling doping punishments, we have to confront the deeply broken doping testing system and widespread contaminations of many foods and medications. The World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) and its country-level entities (UKADA, USADA, etc.) don't like to talk about how laughably bad their systems are, and how often the pop false positives. It wasn't as well known until cyclist Lizzy Banks challenged a false positive last year and spent €40,000 in legal fees and testing fees to get a "no fault or negligence" ruling. And that wouldn't have been possible at all if Banks didn't have a medical background (she went pro just before finishing a medical degree) and was able to read the faulty reports herself and challenge the claims of UKADA. Thanks to her, we now know that WAY more common foods and over-the-counter medications have contaminations with banned substances, which produces positive results with trace-amounts of banned substances.

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/racing/i-felt-that-my-life-was-over-british-rider-reveals-nine-month-anti-doping-nightmare

I'm all for cracking down on dopers and cheaters, so long as we fix the system so it doesn't create false-positives.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The entire system is deeply corrupt beyond false positives.

We know for a fact that Russia was systematically cheating testing and the grand sum of the punishment they faced for it was having to compete as "Olympic Athletes from Russia" for two years.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

They did it too they simply weren't caught.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 3 months ago (10 children)

What was that videogame, where if they caught you hacking, they wouldn't ban you, they'd just put you in lobbies with other hackers?

Imagine having an olympics where all the caught dopers compete against each other.

But they'd probably, like, die or some shit. I'll have to rethink this when I'm in my morning zone.

Northern Lights is a great strain yall

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Northern Lights is a great strain. Man I miss smoking weed

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

Ugh, sponsored of course by Peter Thiel, the fascist transhumanist.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

It would be highly unethical, but I do wonder how much faster you could go if you were allowed to take absolutely anything.

See somebody run 100m in 8 seconds before their heart explodes. Watch a man lift a whole car before he shits his entire digestive system out of his body.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I think that the problem there would be that so many eyes would follow a full on doping Olympics that that’s where the money would also go. And there’s no way you could spin that sort of league/competition to be amateurs only like the Olympics is so it would have to be professional which means the best athletes would go there because they’d fucking get paid

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

The Olympics haven't been amateur for at least 30 years. Not only do professionals compete, but the country olympic committees usually pay competitors for winning a medal.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

What was that videogame, where if they caught you hacking, they wouldn't ban you, they'd just put you in lobbies with other hackers?

Many games do that but GTA is easily the most popular/famous to do so. Though it hasn't done that in a long, long time, that is how it worked at launch. You also got a little dunce hat, so you knew you fucked up.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

Everyone who competes at these level is already doped

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

That was GTA4

I like the idea of Dopelympics. Let everyone participating be fully aware they're in for the time of their (very short) lives

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If they over-dope to compete in the dopers olympics and die as a result, that's not any different than driving without a seatbelt or motorcycling without a helmet and dying as a result. If you don't want to risk death you can just not be stupid.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

True, I think a doping league is something we could try. We just have a year or 2 of ONLY doping league, then open the clean league and have 100 % controls. But not all doping is testable, currently..

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