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Took me a very long time to realize my desire to lose weight was less because I wanted to be skinny and more because I subconsciously wanted to look fem
Vanity makes for a person who’s ugly on the inside.
I fucking hate thos saying. The moralizing of vanity is just another way to feel superior. The people who put a lot of work into how they look do so for a multitude of reasons. Sometimes it's because they are just having fun but other times it's because they grow up being told that they are never enough. That they are simply being deficient for not trying hard enough in which case their lack of vanity becomes instead the moral failure of gluttony or sloth. There is no win state. So then you are simply reinforcing that who they are aside from their appearance is worthless because they are empty voids for caring about the one thing that might be a rare source of validation. We all experience the effects of the privilege of attractiveness or it's lack. A lot of us spend lifetimes unpacking the toxic effects of that programming. This isn't the way to go about stopping that cycle.
"Vanity makes a person ugly inside" is just another way to put someone down so the person wielding this cliche can feel big. It's moralizing someone's relationship to their physicality and preying on places where people are trained to be weak.
I don't think taking care of your appearance, regardless of the reason, is vanity. When "being hot" is your entire personality, you tend to be an asshole, and that IS vanity.
"Being Hot" is never someone's entire personality. Most of the time it's just the veneer used to keep people at a distance. There are advantages to not being hot - mainly you are not hassled by people for attention. Getting approached by people who want something from you all the time tends to make one put up walls. It's easier to be kind when so little is generally expected of you because it's not being demanded regularly.
Not everyone has the strength to be as nice and polite to the 50th person trying to score their number that week as they are to the first. We as a society spend way too much time dehumanizing people because of this shit. I am not conventionally attractive and I bless my lucky stars that I grew up never being denied affection by family or friends because I wasn't good looking. I see people at my job talk about the pretty actor folk behind their backs and it sounds just as catty and insecure as the shit people said about me for being unattractive.
She’s also missing an arm in the one pic.
There’s plenty of cultures where fat is beautiful. Like some where food was scarce and being fat meant you had money and social status. But now there’s McDonalds everywhere, and that’s not considered upper class. Except maybe to a certain self appointed god king and his followers.
This example shows how arbitrary beauty standards are.
Like yeah, your observation is correct, studies have been done on this, but it doesn't mean that the beauty standard is good or natural or correct. If anything it means it's wrong.
Also, today's relative abundance doesn't mean that size is entirely a matter of personal responsibility. Fast food and cheap processed food are often people's only options when they can't afford the time or money to cook meals properly. That food is worse in nutrition so they have to eat more of it, and it's full of junk that capitalists have figured out will be useful in addicting people at the expense of their health, usually a mix of excessive salt and sugar.
There are literal scientific studies about how to make the ideal food that is moreish but doesn't sate hunger, so people will eat lots of it. It takes willpower and resources to fight against that. No wonder there is an obesity epidemic.
So ultimately the beauty standard is still about classism, about wanting someone who is wealthy instead of poor.
If it only exists due to structural inequality where you can have a clear distinction between rich and poor, then it stands to reason that in a world where people generally could expect to thrive and not struggle to make ends meet, so that anxiety about it wasn't commonplace, then a wider array of body types would be generally accepted.
Edit: I hope this comment doesn't read too argumentative. Nothing you said was wrong, I'm just adding to it, and I'm aware that people reading your comment could use it to justify or attack beauty standards, and I'm using it to attack.
She’s also missing an arm in the one pic.
Does this make it abelism or disabelism? /s
Our Bodies Ourselves pointed out that models in advertisements were allowed to have a tummy and look relatively normal, if attractive and made up. Ken (from Ken and Barbie) was built like Gilligan from Gilligan's Island.
By the eighties, women were expected to be 36"-26"-36" (big butts were out, 36" DDs were in) and Arnold Schwarzenegger was doing action movies as a prime specimen of masculinity. The Luke Skywalker action figure was normally proportioned but had a lightsaber blade that retracted into its arm.
By the nineties, the 40" bust was the norm, and women like Tiffany Towers who had enormous serial implants were more mainstream. The Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker action figures (now with separate unretractable lightsaber) were ripped like He-Man or Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Curiously, Nineties cartoons featured normally built women (no longer in bikini armor but situation-appropriate clothes) and all the men were built like body builders, until the Adult Swim / Cartoon Channel era when characters were more abstracted (post Simpsons).
That's an unrealistic body standard if you ask me. Women shouldn't have to cut off an arm.
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While we're on the topic of carvings of bodies I read in a Wikipedia article that the first case of some type of breast cancer was found in an ancient sculpture which was WILD to me. Imagine scientists dissecting your family photos from super old Facebook archives to uncover that you have a fatal illness 100+ years after you die.
Yes we can all have fat rolls. Of course we can. But also beauty is in the eye of the beholder. And lots of people like a little bit of meat. For me, as slightly chunky as I am, that's not what fires me up. But like what you like.
Thank you for not marking it NSFW. Let's try to give ourselves some reasonable rules for censoring.
I saw people posting pics of their dog with its nipples censored
I once saw a post marked NSFW just because of a PIG's nipples!
Yes this really doesn't need to be marked as NSFW
according to Plato women were looked at like machines for making babies and bringing them up. instead Chiseled body statues are the domain of men.
And Aphrodite said hold my ambrosia and turned lonely Pygmalion's waifu statue into a flesh and blood sea nymph Galathea.
Then in 1941, on the Island of Themyscira, as a favor to Hippolyta, Queen of the Amazons, Aphrodite turned a clay infant into Diana, who would come to the western world as Wonder Woman. (This would be retconned in 2011 as Diana being fathered by Zeus to Hippolyta or Zeus giving the clay infant life, even though that's Aphrodite's superpower.)
Plato, you stupid science bitch
"science"
Standards are always changing and they always align with what’s hardest to obtain. In the time of Ancient Greece, having extra body fat was a luxury and a sign of wealth and status. Today it’s the opposite.
Well also I think this body type is and has always been attractive to the vast majority of people. Beauty standard are not very attainable (like you said, it's a status thing), but they aren't even what most people actually like.
With the rate of change on food prices, we'll get back there.
It is kinda yucky that most of these "standards" for women map with the bodies of young girls
"Stomach rolls" That's just a stomach.
Stomachs can buckle like that when you bend, it's normal. If you're worried about that then society has got you paranoid.
If you're obese you're obese, but "stomach rolls" don't mean you're obese.
Depends on how one thinks about rolls it seems.
Option 1: Stomach rolls are inherently bad, and the stomach in the statue does not have rolls.
Option 2: Anytime a stomach folds over, especially with more than one crease, that is a stomach roll. Stomach rolls are not inherently bad.
Options 3 to infinity: Other opinions I have not yet considered.
I believe what option 2 states and honestly had never considered any other ways of thinking about it. Others may have different opinions. I'm interested in hearing them.
Im bordering to being underweight (BMI of 20.1 and yes I know BMI is not an accurate scale but still) and I have stomach rolls. It is the most normal thing ever.
Your comment probably helped ease a lot of people’s insecurities
That's why they put stomach rolls on skyscrapers. Under heavy winds, if it doesn't stomach rolls, it breaks!
social media will repeatedly show you all sorts of things including like chemmed up and knifed up muscle men and beauty queens that make people doubt the normalcy of their own bodies
Social media is a fucking poison for the mind. I happen to have stereotypically looking body cause some malabsorption probably but even I feel like total shit from 5 minutes of browsing insta. If I feel so bad then what about obese people or waist to hip ratio above 0.75 women so like fucking 70%?
I know them all the golden ratios, hip dips and what not, bubbly butt regimens, corset types, BBL death rate all this shit is stuck up there in the head.
It’s like some kind of song on repeat „do stomach vacuums to lower your waist to hip ratio without growing your core muscles” „drink carbonated water with lemon 30 minutes before breakfast”
This is the kind of knowledge that is not only fucking useless but also actively takes valuable space when you are trying to remember about ancient goddess
i feel rad as fuck basically all the time
have you tried becoming a corvid? its a great life. Steal shiny things from big dumb humans, scream at the top of your lungs at all hours of the day, poop on cars
and occasionally torment an alcoholic horror author
Wow this is such a great life, but what if I am an ant then we would be enemies
oh no
I'd say someone obese wouldn't have these "rolls". Source: I am fat.
you can have 10% bodyfat and still get rolls when you sit like that.
Exactly. It's called "having skin".
Puts hands on patients shoulders
Dr: " I'm sorry sir... You have: skin "
Gross
Having a roll or two of fine.
It's when you eat the whole damn bakery the problems start.
But we want not just a piece of the cake, but the whole damn bakery!