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[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (21 children)

Ok fuck it.

Tell me why i shouldn’t go for this as my next daily driver after one MBP after another for over 15 yrs. I’m serious.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

This was me, basically.

I had a Thinkpad X1 Carbon Gen 10 that, by the books, should have been a beast with good Linux support to boot. I tried for so long, but ended up replacing it with a Framework.

The thermal management on the Thinkpad is awful, under Linux at least but by all accounts attributable to the EC itself. Running the most basic workload would cause the CPU to spike for about one second before it would throttle all cores back to 400 MHz where they would stay locked for the next few minutes despite the CPU temps remaining at 50-60°C the entire time.

And it wasn't just me, numerous reports from all over. This made the system nearly useless. I shared pages of diagnostic info with them and they just seemed completely uninterested in trying to do anything about it.

Spec'd out equivalently, the Framework 16 (without GPU) is no more expensive than the X1 Carbon but with even better Linux support and unsurpassable upgradeability. I'm glad my company was onboard for me to switch.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (6 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

Electrically? Yes.

Mechanically the expansion card has higher durability because the force on the USBC is minimized. It's also convinient to have build in "carry slots", so for your standard loadout you don't need to bring a bag with accessories. Compare it to the dongle storage in a wireless mouse.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

You're being downvoted, but you're not wrong. At least in the case of the Ethernet module, which most people aren't going to leave plugged in most of the time.

The utility in the ports being modular is more so in the initial configurability at purchase rather than swapping them out by the user on a regular basis.

But having a laptop with 4/6 USB-C is pretty nice. Add on the fact that my dongles don't dangle and it is even cooler.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So your criticism is them offering an Ethernet port add-on that fits into their modular system but is slightly larger than the rest?

Is that right?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (8 children)

That's for a second ethernet port right?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

They have no build-in ports besides audio on the framework 13. The framework 16 only has 6 expansion bays, nothing else.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

Alright! That sounds kind of cool actually... Gotta check that out when my t490 dies 😅

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Nope on the framework 13, with an exception on the audio jack, is modular so you can swap it with another module

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

Just me but I'd prefer a small rj45 than that quite spacey box IMO, but guess wifi only people prefer it :-)

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

framework 13 snapdragon x edition when

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

E16s and shit are good. Doesnt really beat my old one. I'd be willing to throw framework on a laptop.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (7 children)

Is the youtuber Investor Linus (tech tips)? If so, what are his controversial politics?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Calling adblockers piracy is one i remember

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I don't support ltt but that's the weakest (most cope least knowledgeable) argument there is honestly

like that makes sense because by adblocking you are basically receiving "paid" content for "free" (i put quotes bc the site isn't getting paid unless you click but whatever)

he elaborates to say that he isn't criticising it, just drawing an analogue, and that he uses one himself iirc

ublock origin+sponsorblock <3 btw

btw my reason for not liking ltt is just that i don't like the consolidation of media and info sources, and that there's just higher quality content to watch

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

I wish more places had the resources to make an equivalent to ltt labs. There's still rtings which is pretty darn good though.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Ad blockers are piracy though. Calling something piracy isn't making any moral judgements

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

Not to be an Internet pedant, but technically most definitions of Internet piracy describe it as illegally copying and distributing copyrighted content. Adblockers aren't doing either, they're just hiding UI elements and letting you access content your browser has already fetched, right from the original source

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Although he admits to using one. Still a stupid take but he's not like, adamantly anti-adblocker.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

He also admits to pirating games and media. So like I think I agree, adblockers are a way to access things without "paying". Think people thought he was saying piracy like it was a bad thing. But I think he was just being literal.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

In essence what he said was "know what you're doing" from what I can tell. No major judgement of the behavior, but instead just a notice that one should be aware of their actions. Personally I'd love if more sites just added a ko-fi link or similar. You made good stuff? Here's some money I can spare, and if I get even more use out of your content in the future, I'll pay you a little more then.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

Broke: adblockers are like piracy, which is bad.

Woke: adblockers are like piracy, which is based.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

He also said that he would consider Linus Media Group unionizing a "personal failure," which is about as good as you could typically expect from a business owner but still not great.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

His POV on that from what I could tell was that he didn't want a union to be necessary. He wasn't opposed to the benefits one would provide, he just wanted to have a workplace where people didn't need to unionize just to get those benefits.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Giving him the benefit of the doubt, he probably meant that if a business owner treats his employees well, there shouldnt be a need to unionize. But that would mean he fundamentally misunderstands what a union is and why you want one. I dont know which is worse.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

Your benefit of the doubt assumption is correct. He has explained it in detail a couple of times. Like you I find it unfortunate and frustrating.

Still, based on some of the numbers they have talked about their employee retention is very good and considering how talented many of the people who work for him are, if it were a shitty place to work that could likely easily find work elsewhere. I have a number of criticisms of Linus and his ADHD snap judgments or out of touch privileged takes, but he still strikes me as someone that does genuinely want to do the right thing that got insanely lucky and had to adapt to a crazy situation no random person off thee street would ever be that prepared before.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I guess the generous amount of coverage and media attention Framework gets from their videos

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Well they do disclose their investment but I dont think it is what they were referencing. It makes sense for them to cover as they have a stake in the company doing well.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (6 children)

This is the first time I'm hearing about Framework. Is it worth it? I'm looking for a new laptop anyway

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Best laptop I've had so far, but they're quite expensive for their performance tier. The expectation is that you'd never replace it, so theoretically the cost pays itself off over time, but that would assume that you are able and willing to do that sort of long term maintenance.

Basically, I would only recommend it if you were a tinkerer.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

Agreed. If you buy the minimum spec bare bones version and get RAM and NVME from a third party, the price is somewhat comparative to other MRSPs. If you go for a higher spec or compare to sales prices instead of MSRP you pay up to 50% premium according to my research.

If you however factor in downtime of a broken and non-repairable device, plus the time spend on setting up a replacement, the framework can easily compete if your setup is complex.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I disagree on the comment about cost disparity. Spec'd equivalently, even the Framework 16 (without GPU) is no more expensive than the smaller ThinkPad X1 Carbon. The more comparative Framework 13 even less so.

The modular ports (and GPU on the 16) are a nice bonus, but I agree that the largest attraction is for the tinkerer.

I think the fact that it is easily upgradable makes it a clear winner on the merits alone.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I love it, it's amazing.

I do have the first generation which has a battery drain issue, which has since been fixed.

I always use my hardware for a looong time, but I look forward to only having to replace the main mobo and not the screen or keyboard when I do need an upgrade.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

And even when you want to replace your main board, you can take the old one, 3D print or buy this Cooler Master case, and turn it into a relatively powerful server or HTPC or K8s node or whatever.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

I guess it depends what you value. I have a Framework 13, first generation. I run Linux on it and really enjoyed putting it together myself (I ordered the DIY option).

I absolutely love their ports. You swap in the ports you want. I normally run a USB C on either side (so I can charge from either side) plus a USB A on each side (the Framework 13 has two slots each side, I think the 16 might have 3 each side?). But I also have HDMI, Display Port, and micro SD in case I need them. I can hot swap them in.

Their guides are awesome. I broke a screen and was able to order another and replace it myself following their guide. When the time comes (probably in the next year or so) I'm planning on upgrading. A bit like a desktop, since it's been a few years it means replacing the motherboard (what they call the mainboard) and RAM since technology moves on. I"m pretty sure like all laptops the CPU is fixed to the mainboard, but you can upgrade RAM or storage without replacing the whole guts (assuming same slot type). In fact you can buy without some pieces and reuse stuff you have or buy from elsewhere to save some money.

When I eventually do it I'm planning on strapping the old mainboard to the back of my TV as a HTPC (replacing the old dying laptop currently there).

There are plenty of downsides. No touchscreen. I wish the screen was a little brighter, it's not bad but could be better (might be better with later models?). I replaced the hinges with their more resistant ones but the screen still moves if I carry it around with the screen open (not sure if it's still an issue on newer models).

I really value the idea of repairability and upgradeability. When I was younger you could swap a bigger harddrive or RAM into a laptop if you had a screwdriver (and sometimes even without), and repairing other parts was also possible. These days you're more likely to find the whole thing glued together. Framework lets you do your own repairs, and has guides to walk you through every step.

There are probably more downsides, but I do love it and would buy another in a heartbeat. But if there are special things you need then carefully check. For example last I checked they did not have a full size SD card reader module available (though of course you can use a regular external one if you really need to).

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The SD expansion card is "comming soon" according to their store page, and they showed prototypes that looked close to production on their youtube channel. My best guess is release in Q4

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (3 children)

The biggest one that I’m glad to never have to worry about:

User replaceable battery

You can even put a bigger battery in down the line if you wish. No planned obsolescence.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

I like mine a lot but as the other commenter alluded too they're pretty pricey but for the 13inch one I think it's the best laptop on the market at that size at the moment.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

If you've got the cash to spare, they just about kick the shit out of absolutely everything on the market, and are consumer repairable to boot.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

Actually rational take?? Holy hell

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