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Some Democrats say his comments, directed at a Christian audience, signaled his plans to be a dictator. His campaign says he was talking about ‘uniting’ the country, and experts point to his ‘deliberately ambiguous’ speaking style.

Democratic lawmakers and Vice President Harris’s campaign joined a chorus of online critics in calling out remarks Donald Trump aimed at a Christian audience on Friday, arguing that the former president and current Republican presidential nominee had implied he would end elections in the United States if he won a second term.

At the conclusion of his speech at the Believers Summit in West Palm Beach, Fla., Trump said, “Christians, get out and vote, just this time. You won’t have to do it anymore. … You got to get out and vote. In four years, you don’t have to vote again. We’ll have it fixed so good you’re not going to have to vote.”

Democrats and others interpreted the comments as signaling how a second Trump presidency would be run, a reminder that he previously said he would not be a dictator upon returning to office “except for Day One.”

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I want the defenders to explain in specific terms how this wasn't about being a dictator. "It was about unity" isn't a statement. It doesn't near making sense.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

That last line is choice.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's cryptofascism. The 'OK' hand gesture, this - fascists will call you crazy if you get upset about it. But every little thing is a seed planted.

Unfortunately this fascist attitude doesn't end with a Trump electoral defeat. These seeds are finding fertile soil. They are growing into something.

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[–] [email protected] 83 points 3 months ago (1 children)

"Deliberately ambiguous" isn't the excuse these people seem to think it is.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 3 months ago (11 children)

I don't even see how anyone could argue it's ambiguous. Can anyone give one plausible, specific theory about what else it could've meant?

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 months ago

"Some Democrats say..." Way to marginalize the obvious threat, BezosPost.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Fox News will yell "That's not what he meant, crazy liberals! You're the real authoritarians here because you didn't have a primary for Harris!" while the ensuing debate shifts the Overton window towards authoritarianism as discussions about having an American dictator are normalized.

Trump is so toxic for America.

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Trump's statements are reckless and unacceptable for a politician, and he probably was hinting at a dictatorship using plausible deniability, given that he attempted a coup after the last election. We have no reason to take him at his word anymore.

The DNC elector process is the only viable way of choosing a candidate with the looming 2 week Ohio ballot deadline, as the alternative would be to not run a candidate at all. Harris is the most popular candidate out of those willing to run, and well-informed, locally-elected politicians across the country have independently endorsed her without DNC pressure. Primary reform (or even better, election reform) would be great for democratizing, optimizing, and de-risking the candidate selection process for both parties, but the DNC has not abused their power here by choosing the most popular candidate in an emergency situation.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (2 children)

A sane voting system would be so lovely. How about STAR voting and fucking ZERO primaries? Fuck the party politics.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Amen.

We waste so much energy and productivity with party politics. I don’t give a damn about your clics.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

Reporting on the response to the dangerous promise he made makes it seem like the article is trying to prompt sympathy for him.

Poor Donald must face a consequence for saying something shitty.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 3 months ago (2 children)

"Deliberately ambiguous"

I don't think that means what they think that means.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

It's an interesting contrast to 'he just tells it like it is' from the first time around.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Being deliberate with your word choice so the intention of your words is ambiguous. Similar to "intentionally vague"

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

Trump’s never had the ability to be deliberate with anything, certainly not the tired and diminished Trump we’ve got this cycle.

Trump also only has ambiguity as a strength, because he doesn’t have the mental capacity, or attention span, for specificity. You think he can detail a 5 point plan without getting distracted about sharks and electrocution? His voters like him spoon-feeding him 3 word slogans, and that’s just about all that he can muster these days.

[–] [email protected] 109 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Yeah this isn't surprising.

What's funnier is how he acts like a toddler with his hand caught in the cookie jar; blaming it on his imaginary friend or whatever else is convenient to blame at hand.

Make no mistake; this is their plan. For far right extremist believers; this is their most fevered and deepest desire dream. They are, unfortunately, thinking that they are the only ones who are "right" to rule the world; despite how wrong they are and despite literally everything and everyone telling them they CANNOT do that.

To be clear; these kinds of minds have fallen to the trap that religion breeds.

When used in moderation; religion can be helpful for people both mentally and emotionally. It can allow them to cope with, and accept, reality and when they abandon all fear and put faith into something it can bring themselves back to focusing on things more productively.

When used in excess; religion can breed utter lack of reason and sanity. This is the trap. This is when someone loses touch with reality. When you abandon all fear and put faith into something; you become the most reckless thing imaginable; and the damage to the world and others you can do with this is virtually unlimited.

As they say; "The road to Hell is paved with 'Good Intentions'.". There is nothing more dangerous than a fool who believes he is doing the right thing. The foolish cannot be reasoned with, or dissuaded from their path, for they are a fool.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 months ago

Religion has always been a tool for controlling the masses. Humans are flawed, broken creatures that naturally abuse power. Religion simply builds a framework to execute that abuse.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Agreed, but this isn't unique to religion -- the same can be said of political ideologies.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Religion tends to have untestifiable claims and poor epistemology built in and encouraged tho. It's rare for ideologies to have that.

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