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[–] [email protected] 243 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

No no no no NO!

This is some guilt-tripping, gaslighting, deflecting DARVO bullshit, and I won’t have it.

Bigots do not become bigots because of their exposure to “others”. When those of us who are “others” [refuse to tolerate the intolerance of others] (out of principle or justifiable self-defense) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance), their frustration and their lashing-out as a result is not our fault. Nobody can be held responsible for another individual’s lack of emotional self-control.

When people act out with violence, motivated by hate, fear, and ignorance, they are to blame— never the victims.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 3 months ago (22 children)

Someone being at fault for something, and someone unintentionally influencing another, are two separate things.

Family members going down toxic rabbit holes as a response to someone close to them coming out, is just that - a response to someone close to them coming out. It is quite literally cause and effect.

That doesn’t mean that the family member’s bigotry is the person’s problem though, nor should they feel any sense of blame whatsoever.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I wouldn't say she influenced his extremist views, as much as she shined a light upon them.

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[–] [email protected] 194 points 3 months ago (2 children)

No she didn't.

Elon Musk is what he always was. He wants you to scapegoat his daughter because that's easy for him. He's a piece of shit entirely on his own, don't blame her for his vile nature.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 3 months ago (1 children)

This article does a poor job of discussing Elon (but that’s not really the point of the article). Vivian has talked about how she felt Elon became more radical as she transitioned. That not blaming her, it’s listening to what she has to say

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 months ago

Classic TERF island headline. "Trans people turn billionaires into conservatives." 🙄

[–] [email protected] 163 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

His daughter did not influence him. That makes it sounds like the daughter was the cause of him shifting right.

Musk reacted to the fact that his daughter was trans. His reaction was taking off his mask and being the piece of shit he already was more openly.

Edit: Not sure why I didn't think to include it at the time, but the healine has a real “Husband beat wife because she burnt dinner.” vibe to it.

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