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If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (7 children)

Butters and Trump are ruining my ability to get anything done in town today. Not a big fan of this dumb shit inconveniencing me IRL.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (5 children)

Not a sneer, but [a mildly interesting open letter(https://noml.info/):

A specification for those who want content searchable on search engines, but not used for machine learning.

The basic idea is effectively an extension of robots.txt which attempts to resolve the issue by providing a means to politely ask AI crawlers not to scrape your stuff.

Personally, I don't expect this to ever get off the ground or see much usage - this proposal is entirely reliant on trusting that AI bros/companies will respect people's wishes and avoid scraping shit without people's permission.

Between OpenAI publicly wiping their asses with robots.txt, Perplexity lying about user agents to steal people's work, and the fact a lot of people's work got stolen before anyone even had the opportunity to say "no", the trust necessary for this shit to see any public use is entirely gone, and likely has been for a while.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

OpenAI is creating the trustless economy that makes bitcoin necessary. taps forehead

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

Just found out from a screenshot in a tweet that Marc Aandreesen considers Nick Land to be some kind of patron saint of "techno-optimism". Setting aside Land's ugly views about everything... I didn't think optimism was what he was known for. More like grasping, desperate, disgusted embrace of the onward march of capital.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (4 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (11 children)

Looks like he's in the process of killing himself

And he insists exercise doesn't help him lose weight which means it doesn't have any benefit.

Poor fuck's going to get done in by vanity.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (4 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

The reactions to that are also quite something, not only does Musk bring out the worst people (bluechecks, all even less informed than him, or worse just people wanting to spread crypto/insult fat people/took over the weird posting style from Jordan B Peterson (the one with all the linebreaks at strange places, Musk also did it once in the same period he did the interview), but Yudkowsky reacted with a very gentle [citation needed], while we all know the truth.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Trump selecting JD Vance has his running mate has led to stuff I know from this venue bleeding into stuff I follow (shamefully) for US politics. Case in point, behold Mencius Moldbug between Richard Hanania and some racist dweeb from Cambridge:

https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2024/07/meet-you-at-the-bottom-if-there-really-is-one

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

My other kook-watching sneerhobby is Rod Dreher and there's been bleedthrough from him too! Strange bird, Vance...

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Good grief, I know. It was bad enough when SBF hit the headlines, but now, it feels like the next news cycle will involve explaining how Thielbux funded a performance art piece in Dimes Square about Nikolai Fyodorov's Cosmism.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (4 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Okay but this is about alkaline water so it's garbage even without the genAI imagery.

It's even by Wu et al., come on, low hanging fruit

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

How do people do this without dying of anxiety?

BTW, that last comment on RetractionWatch was grim:

I recently saw a presentation by a job candidate (a PhD with many years experience) who used figures that were clearly AI-generated. They weren’t as funny as this example or the giant rat penis, but certainly fictional and unreal. In and of itself, troubling enough. Worse was that my colleagues involved in the interview didn’t care when I pointed it out.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

it's easier if you are a shameless fraud without a shred of integrity

This is also probably why MBAs like it

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

ai use case: you can pump out pseudoscience promoting fluff disguised as papers in predatory journals with less effort

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Bosses are urging employees to increase their output with the help of AI tools (37 percent), to expand their skill sets (35 percent), take on a wide range of responsibilities (30 percent), return to the office (27 percent), work more efficiently (26 percent), and work more hours (20 percent).

Stop working from home because AI.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Whatever shambling corpse of Toys "R" Us still exists has released "the first OpenAI SORA generated brand commercial."

still frame from the commercial of a child who looks slightly melted

It looks absolutely dire, particularly in motion, but posters are still falling over themselves to call it "cool" and "exciting" or claim that people "might not notice" that it's complete and utter arse. Twitter screenshot of a user admitting that it's a bad ad but claiming that people might not notice it's computer generated

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

"Positive is that if you didn't tell someone it was GenAI, they might not notice!"

Nah, they'd be able to immediately tell from just how fucking garbage it is

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It makes me wonder if these people have ever seen a moving picture before, because being caught up in the slack-jawed astonishment of a novel experience seems the only plausible explanation for thinking this looks good.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Has someone tried generating a train running at the camera and seeing if one of the AI bros dies of a heart attack?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

the thing is, people are again taking this as direct output of the regurgitating machine. i wouldn't be at all surprised if there was a ton of editing going on to fix all of the most glaring issues, just like when sora was first announced.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Yes you can very clearly see what they've added in, there's tons of matte stuff going on and cliparts of floating toys and whatever

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

If you look at the bottom right that's exactly the case. They didn't just type a prompt in SORA and call it a day.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

AI or not this is an incredibly depressing advert, what the fuck. They went for whimsy and produced an elegy.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I see Sora still hasn't cracked the nut of having longer output windows. or at producing things that aren't deathly boring.

and what the fuck is up with that music? it sounds like a medical commercial selling hope

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

That picture... Harry Potter and the Hole of Ketamine.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Oh my fucking god I know that video

this is the entire pitch of genAI, this is beat for beat a perfect analysis 4 years before all of this bullshit actually happened

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Regarding that claimed breakthrough about AI winning the International Mathematical Olympiad: a reminder that a proof which hangs together logically is not necessarily a proof that makes sense.

Those formalized proofs are so incredibly ugly, it's amazing. Of course it doesn't much of a sensible indentation, but then there are single proof steps where I have no idea what it's even doing. [...] And then there are nonsense mathematical steps. The solution of problem 2 starts with induction, before introducing any variables. It applies induction to the number 12. And it write 12 as (10)+2. Then it proceeds to do the whole proof in the base case of the induction, and notices that the induction step is trivial, since the goal is the same as the induction hypothesis (but instead of the assumption tactic it uses congr 26).

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Also, choice sneer in the comments:

AlphaProof is more "AlphaZero doing self play against Lean" and less "Gemeni reading human proofs"

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

'manual translation' undoubtably doing some heavy lifting here

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Spending an unknown but potentially long amount of time to maybe get a solution of potentially minimal legibility is definitely AI's killer app.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

movie announcer voice aaaaaand now, from the org structures that brought you Teams Doing Standup Poker, an announcement!

heeeeeeere's Promptfondling!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

the org structures that brought you Teams Doing Standup Poker

which must be destroyed. find me who’s responsible for this (it’s the Google OKR people, isn’t it?)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

listen buddy if you're not arguing about the definition of done for design phase and overspending your meeting windows by 2 hours because of points quibbling, are you even SAFe

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

OpenAI said in its announcement that search responses will include in-line citations and that users can open a sidebar to view links to external sources. The long-term goal is to then incorporate search features into ChatGPT, the company’s flagship AI product.

"The long-term goal is to reinvent the Internet of 25 years ago, but worse."

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

what do you mean you don’t want a search engine but much less efficient and much, much worse? you don’t like progress?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm starting to think tech wants us to hate tech so we'll stop having hopes for tech so they can just sell tech to military in multiple countries. I get the strong feeling that all these people in tech viscerally hate that average users use things they created like email, SMS, RSS feeds, etc etc etc. @self @blakestacey

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Military contracting comes with actual requirements and product has to be up to spec, can't have that

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