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Im considering buying a new phone and i don't really consider a Pixel. I really like Fairphones approach, with the self repairable stuff. Even though they don‘t have a headphone jack. But well… I can’t change it. I’ll definitely go with the adapter over wireless headphones.

But to my question: What private OSes are there? Fairphone sells FP4s with eOS, how is that? And does it work on the FP5? GrapheneOS only works on Google Pixels right?

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

FP4 with CalyxOS works perfectly.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago

Fairphones can also run CalyxOS if you want to look into that

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

May i know why you do not like the pixel phones?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (10 children)

They are expensive and I don't want to give money to Google

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

I use CalyxOS on my FP4. I have been happy. Almost 2 years now.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (13 children)

Depending on your linux knowledge, you may want to use real linux (postmarketOS). But beware, the amount of things that require closed source OSs like android or ios isnt 0. banking apps for example arent accepting of non proprietary phones yet. I dont know about emulation though.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

There are several degoogled OS options for the Fairphone models, with different levels of degoogling and privacy: LineageOS, CalyxOS, DivestOS, iodéOS and /e/OS.

Most of these are based on LineageOS (I understand that CalyxOS isn't, but I might be wrong). I personally use iodéOS and I like the helpful developers, the ability to remove / replace any of the apps preinstalled with the system, and the iodé blocker which blocks trackers, adds and any connection you want to at a system level.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

The Fairphone 5 is supported by CalyxOS, iodéOS, /e/OS and LineageOS (with or without microG, which is a Google Play Services replacement).

You can read about each of the projects here:

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I use MicroG LineageOS which is in my opinion comparable with graphene os and is supported by a lot more devices.

https://lineage.microg.org/

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Graphene and Lineage are the most uncomparable custom roms. Have and look at security and privacy and the type of Google Play handling.

See https://eylenburg.github.io/android_comparison.htm to geht a first idea

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I'm on CalyxOS, it works great. Locked bootloader, ability to block connection of devices when screen is locked (defeating cellebrite's method of choice), work profiles and firewalls etc.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

There are only a few to consider. /e/os if you want it easy or DivestOS if you want it most secure and private. All the other possibilities have disadvantages compared to these.

Please be aware that you should buy FP5 as FP4 has huge hardware issues and the support is a dissapointment. And yes, /e/ is available for FP5 (but not via easy installer, but it's not hard to flash it yourself)

/e/ is announced as 'degoogled' but that's not 100 % true (and not nearly as well). For example MicroG connects to Google as well as connectivity backup check. Patch level is far behind AOSP. The App Lounge uses clean APK for some apps which is very risky. Communication is a problem and they do not react like they should for example when Mike Kuketz analysed /e/ and found several problems.

The community is huge and they support many devices.

DivestOS is better in most points but is managed by one person alone. MicroG is not included by default (if you need it) and multi sim support is a problem.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago

DivestOS is the way to go.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

What about de-googled android? Is that private/secure?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

No given the recent Cellebrite leak. You're only secure if you use Pixel 6 and after, stock or GOS.

Of course that mostly only apply if you put government into your threat model.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

That's a threat to any device. Also the pixel scored way better than many other devices

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

If I had a Fairphone I'd use CalyxOS or DivestOS. They seem to be the best for privacy and security out of the OS that Fairphone supports.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

CalyxOS is another one. Some consider fairphone problematic

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Can you explain that? Why is Fairphone problematic?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Well, whether anything is problematic or not is highly subjective.

Do you consider no headphone jack to be problematic? Or that some think it was done intentionally to push their wireless headphones?

What about the use of slave labor? After realizing it was impossible to get away from that, they tweaked their slogan from a fair phone to a "fairer" phone.

How about the high price and little demand?

See what I mean? One person's problem is not everyone's.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

What does any of this have to do with Fairphone? You can apply every single one of these criticisms to the rest of the industry and it would be way more relevant than it is with Fairphone.

It seems some people will not accept paying more for an ethically superior product unless it is literally perfect in every single ethical aspect. If it's not perfect, then this company that is vastly superior to all its competitors when it comes to ethics is somehow the villain. This is braindead logic.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (6 children)

I think the point is, why avoid buying a more mainstream phone like a pixel if even fairphone can't avoid slave labour? The two big reasons why people go for fairphones is ethicality of the manufacturing process (labour and environmental impact) and modularity/fixability. If their labour is unethical then that means they lose one of their most important appeals. The horrific treatment of miners in the global south is easily one of if not the most significant issue with modern phone manufacture.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I do consider the missing headphone jack a problem, but are other brands better? I did not research any of this, but don‘t other brands do the same. Considering this, I think Fairphone is one of the better phone producers. Im not saying they are the best or that they do nothing wrong. And please correct me if I’m wrong, I think the high prices come from the higher loans and better quality materials than other brands.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

DivestOS is a good option

[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Graphene does only work on the pixel devices. What makes it special is that you can lock the bootloader again after installing it, which with things like lineage, you cannot do. I have never used /e/OS but i use lineage as my daily and it can be installed on FP

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago (2 children)

What makes it special is that you can lock the bootloader again after installing it

I'm not sure why this is considered special. You can also re-lock the bootloader with CalyxOS, iodéOS and DivestOS. This is a Pixel thing, not a GrapheneOS thing.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

Okay, I was not aware of that, so thanks for the information.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (7 children)

Honestly trusting the bootloader feels very risky

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

GrapheneOS uses pixels because not even Google employees can break into it.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'd be more worried about the ROM that runs before the bootloader that you can't inspect, or possible hardware implants if you don't trust the bootloader shipped to you from the vendor.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

I don't trust it not to be flawed

[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 months ago (2 children)

In that case, have fun coding up your own bootloader and flashing it onto the device. If you can't trust the bootloader, then you can't trust anything at all from the operating system that sits on top of it, because it could be compromised. If you can't trust a bootloader, then the only thing you can trust is a pen and a piece of paper.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (3 children)

why dont we just put uefi on phones

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

True but it feels like obscurity via obscurity.

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