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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

That announcement was the biggest eye-roller all week.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (15 children)

not to criticize proton's product, but trying to act like you're doing something special by buying audits when that's what any recognized and reputable VPN brand does makes you look like noobs

talk about your servers, speed, support, etc-- that's what sets you apart from competitors

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

“Trust me bro, I ain’t keeping logs.”

Vs

“You don’t need to trust us, we don’t want you to trust us when we say ‘we don’t keep logs’. We have an unbiased and unconflicted third-party audit our service every year. You can review their findings for yourself here.”

Trust me, bro.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Comes back to edit, but doesn’t address any of the comments. 😔

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

How would you like a company to prove that their claims have substance? Just curious. Audits are just a way to do this. Imperfect, perhaps, but one of the few available.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

edit: lol wouldn't have pegged this crowd for a sensitive bunch. my mistake, carry on trumpeting your audits lol

This isn't about 'trumpeting audits' or 'being sensitive' or brand loyalty or whatever. Your comment just comes across as either wilfully ignorant, or contrarian. Audits and sharing those audits like this are essential for transparancy and building trustworthiness, especially when it comes to security and privacy. If a VPN would say 'no logs' but never proves it with transparent audits, they're untrustworthy. Simple as that. This serves as proof they don't log.

I don't see Proton acting special here. Just a report and why it's important. And they do share all the other stuff you've mentioned, so I'm not sure why you seem to ignore that.

Sidenote, if it matters: while I am a Proton customer, I don't use ProtonVPN

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

talk about your servers, speed, support, etc

But... they do that too.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

If your criticism is devoid of logic. Hence the downvotes.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

They have tons of servers worldwide for varying use cases, the speed is great, and I've never had to contact support.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Lol what? The most "well known" get that way thru insane advertising campaigns not because their products are any better or more secure than say mullvad or, in this case, proton.

If I'm getting more / less the same performance between the more reputable companies I'm going to chose the few that have these types of audits.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I think a good sense of criticism is always good. And I don't like loyalty, ever. But, no matter where you go, there will be a rule of thumb that people will blindly follow. None of this will make me likable though because of the lack of trust I show them with everything.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (4 children)

rule of thumb that people will blindly follow.

i'm over 40 and am still confounded by this. brand loyalty always struck me as the dumbest possible behavior from people whose only value to the brand is in their wallet. i guess it's easy to believe the company really truly cares about you when that's what they pretend to do

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

There are very few of us, and it's probably a DNA/brain wiring thing. Kinda like me looking at republican as if they are aliens because they can watch trump and think what he's saying is good, and totally not like a dictator such as hitler.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

right. the party of "individual liberty" and "small government" who also wants the government to mandate what gender you're allowed to bump uglies with and outlaw porn

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

You guys are sniffing your own farts so hard you forgot that it sounds stupid when you say a company is pretending when they paid for a 3rd party to verify them with cold hard cash.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You're getting downvoted because you're conflating contrarianism with critical thinking, and people have already pointed out your mistaken logic.

It has nothing to do with brand loyalty. You're just falling into the other side of the "herd mentality" coin.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

one hilarious thing i've learned is that any particular brand's fanbois hate being called fanbois LOL

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

They don't act special, they act in an open and respectful manner towards their customers.

what any recognized and reputable VPN brand does

And what makes a VPN brand recognizable and reputable if nobody knows that they passed the audit?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No logs >>> fastest product

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Honestly I find I retain 90 to 95% of my speed with proton

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I need to make the switch, I've just been complacent. My statement also wasn't a knock on Proton's speed, as I have no idea how it performs, I just wanted to point out that no logging is more important than performance, if there needed to be a sacrifice.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

I was just relating my experience no worries

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Soooo I don't use a VPN. I know quite a bit about computer and technology in general, security in this sense just hasn't been as important to me until recent years. Them having no logs is important to me, just as the other metrics have their own levels of importance. Moreover, just because you're only capable of a single bland line of thought at a time doesn't mean others can't express several, more complex forms of thought at once...such as talking about everything you mentioned, and more.

To me, a consumer they are targeting, this is important. The more I hear about things like this from them, the more I am legitimately considering utilizing their services.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

talk about your servers, speed, support, etc-- that's what sets you apart from competitors

All of that can easily be judged by any customers. The no-logging part can't be checked by regular customers

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Also that’s what their ads are for… And their website… And every other published piece about them. Why on earth would they put that here?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

If they didn’t publish these people would be going “there are no public audits we can’t trust them.“ I don’t even understand the complaint here. We’re now complaining about transparency?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Well if it wasn't Id cancel the subscription.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Same. I don't even use it for torrenting. Been using it more and more just for simply browsing the web.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Proton’s great for torrenting since they support port forwarding for their paid tiers.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Oh do they now ..? How much are they? My PIA will be expiring next year and I'm not liking for they're shying away from port forwarding (especially on the android tv app)

I feel like they're going to pu$$y out and pull a Mullvad soon.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Pull a mullvad? What did mullvad do? I thought they were still one of the best

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Ah. OK thanks. Usenet is way better than torrents imo so I haven’t needed a vpn in over a decade.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Man I really gotta look into that further....

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

They're (PIA) also owned by an ad company...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Yeah, I switched to them after mullvad (i I also tried airvpn before Proton) and it works great.

One extremely annoying thing with Proton VPN is that the port changes after every single (re)connection so you need to reconfigure your torrent client.

Fortunately there is a fork of the VPN client I use which automatically configures qbittorrent with the new port.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

How come you switched to them from Mullvad?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

They removed port forwarding.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

On linux there's a bash script for port forwarding, and if you execute it right after reboot (preferably via cron) it'll be the same port as before reboot.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Yeah, slight inconvenience there, but like you point out there’s ways around it. In my docker setup, I’ve got a container that takes the random port from gluetun and drops it into qbittorrent.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Just a note to add, this is just the re-confirmation of this year, the two previous years they have had no-logs policy audits as well :)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Good, thats what people pay them for.