I never thought I'd say this but fuck jack black.
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No matter our politics, hopefully we can all agree with JB about not wanting to get shot by reactionary Christofascist radicals. I assume Black and Gass's politics are pretty well aligned with each other, and Gass didn't say anything a lot of people aren't also feeling. But you can't say that shit on stage in front of thousands of amped up fans. --not because it's wrong to say or because it's not politically correct or even because it's controversial. You can't say that shit because some of the people in the audience are unhinged and have already been radicalized by the Right.
Take a stand for the First Amendment, and take a stand against censorship, sure--but while you're standing, be prepared to duck.
I don't blame any public figure for not wanting to expose themselves to an outsized risk of violence. That risk is largely Trump's fault, but notice how I'm blaming him from somewhere other than an elevated, well lit platform in front of a room full of strangers on drugs.
"don't stand up for your rights, it might get you hurt" is a very weird take tbh
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"Don't take a stand against fascism, because a fascist might get angry" 🙄
And I guess if you're part of a group already being targeted by angry fascists, it'd be something like "why didn't you warn us about fascism sooner?"..
I think it’s more like “don’t publicly stand for political violence towards fascists because their base is unhinged and you bring the violence on yourself”. Also, the violence has given the fascists power. Right now, the dems defense has to be damage control. I know many people wish Trump had been taken out (especially by another republican) but it didn’t happen, most likely won’t now, and dems need to put on a “we don’t condone violence” face so they can maybe try to win.
I think it’s more like “don’t publicly stand for political violence towards fascists because their base is unhinged and you bring the violence on yourself”.
So as long as they're bringing violence to everyone but you, it's all good then.. 🙄
Also, the violence has given the fascists power.
News flash - they had it long before this joke happened
Right now, the dems defense has to be damage control. I know many people wish Trump had been taken out (especially by another republican) but it didn’t happen, most likely won’t now, and dems need to put on a “we don’t condone violence” face so they can maybe try to win.
Laugh my mother fucking ass off.
The fact that you, anyone, still put faith in the democrats to stand up, never mind defeat, fascism, especially after the pathetic display of the last few days where they've all literally grovelled to the fascist in chief, is as depressing as it is astounding. And it doesn't end well.
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I feel like I'm through the fucking looking glass. Trump has called for violence on many individuals/groups, led a goddamn insurrection in which people died, and will certainly be responsible for more bloodshed elected or not, but we're supposed to play this stupid as decency game because he was shot? I lost all respect for Jack Black today. Must be nice to afford this decency bullshit. He won't be put in a camp if these fascists succeed.
I feel like it's just more of that corporate fence sitting. It's just extra strange and off putting when it's coming an individual versus your average soulless company.
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Don't you see? He's the man! Let me hear you applaud! He is more than a man, he's a shiny golden god! ...
He. Is going. To kick your fucking ass! And! You know, his name is Kyle Gass! Rocking and fucking rolling and fucking rocking and fucking rolling and fucking (Jack Black scatting noises)
Kudos Kyle, for speaking the truth!
Thankfully, it's not the commentary I was afraid he'd offered. JB sounds spineless in this, it was a joke and an honest expression of the very real existential fear people feel towards Trump rule.
I fucking hate this. Trump gets on mic everyday to wish death on some innocent groups of people but we're fucking forbidden from joking about it towards him?
Yeah, the time for civil has passed. The attempt of his life happened because no one is willing to do anything about him.
Reap what you sow by definition.
from the party of "fuck your feelings":
hOw DaRe YoU jOkE aBoUt ThAt!!!!!!
It closely echoes what I thought at the time. "Do not miss, or do not take the shot." As Yoda said, "There is no try."
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I think it's complicated a bit by the fact that this was said on stage at one of their shows. I think canceling the tour is a gross overreaction, but with the current political climate (even ignoring the assassination attempt) I can understand some hesitancy to proceed if anyone is going to be associating them with calls for political violence.
All that said... based birthday wish, fully agree with Gass's joke.
Yeah like he's not wrong, but maybe don't say it on stage in front of everybody and God at your job that you and your coworkers are depending on to pay the bills. I'm sure none of them are living paycheck to paycheck but art also doesn't make as much money as people like to think, especially in this day and age, and I'm not going to fault anyone for playing it safe these days.
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Well there goes my respect for JB, is he a secret Trump supporter?
I think he mostly doesn't want to get shot by angry Magats.
Just privileged and out of touch. You'd think he's a celebrity or something.
He’s a very popular actor/musician that isn’t looking to wade into any controversy that might damage his popular brand.
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As somebody with experience being on tour and playing shows every night and having a mic in front of you. Maybe a little toasted on stage as well. You tend to say things that you normally wouldn't. High energy, adrenaline, trying to keep the crowd entertained and think on your toes. You can say things right as they come to you without full consideration.
My guess is, that this will be the outcome of all of this. An apology along the lines of what you just mentioned, and a "back to reality call". At least I hope so
He already apologized and said he was wrong to say it.
KG should not have apologized.
Apologies are designed for human beings and entities capable of experiencing empathy. Conservatives are not able to process the concept of an apology. They are just as unable to recognize apologies as they are unable to issue them.
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That sounds like the wisest approach to this.
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Jables didn't call him Rage Cage for nothing. Sounds like an ep of the TV show tbh.
https://youtu.be/krUP7yb50yo https://piped.video/watch?v=krUP7yb50yo
That sucks, I hadn't had the chance to see them before, but I got tickets for a show they're having near me in a few months. I guess I need to see what getting a refund looks like.
Read: Man in his 50s found excuse to not do a tiresome thing
It sounds like you don't know who Jack Black is
I saw his show last year, and the energy he puts into them is incredible. Dude has more energy than most people half his age.
This is why I blocked lemmy.ml, along with hexbear.net and lemmygrad.ml - too bad those user blocks are so ineffective and still show every comment from every user from there.
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Then let's go with the alternative: Man overreacts and acts self righteous over a joke. Cancels other people's plans.
Here's what really happened: A man with an actual moral compass decides work life balance and his relationship with his long time friend and business partner is more important than money, and has decided to take the time to figure things out between them.
If your actual moral compass tells you the real problem is not coddling fascists when they get what's due to them, it's pointing in the wrong direction.
Jack black is a better human than me, I won't argue that point.
The answer is drugs
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Damn. It's gotta be stressful as a public figure toeing the line between basic decency and a desire to not get investigated by the S(ecret) S(ervice). Can't say I blame him for wanting to distance himself from that type of commentary