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A "Showerthought" is a simple term used to describe the thoughts that pop into your head while you're doing everyday things like taking a shower, driving, or just daydreaming. The best ones are thoughts that many people can relate to and they find something funny or interesting in regular stuff.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Because the brake light indicates braking, and is connected to the brake? This is already a perfect solution.

An accelerometer is a terrible idea to replace this. You would have to cover the car with sensors and tune them so that accelerating uphill doesn't trigger the brake light, and that braking downhill will successfully trigger the brake light.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It’s not a perfect solution for EVs and Hybrids that can slow down quickly without pressing the brake. Technology connections has a full video on the matter, but basically things need to be updated for current tech if we want to avoid accidents due to information not being relayed to other drivers.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

There are EVs that handle this by using a deceleration threshold, but that is not the same as just strapping an accelerometer to a car.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Because deceleration is not braking and conflating the two is extremely dangerous.

Think for more than 2 seconds plz

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

The issue is with regenerative braking and single pedal operation of EVs. Many vehicles today will essentially brake if you aren't on the accelerator.

Personally, I think it's a gap in design/regulation. But not as simple as brake pedals.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I am honestly flabbergasted that people think this is a good idea. This would basically mean that the brake light would stay on almost all the time that you weren't actively accelerating.

There would be so many more highway accidents. I heavily rely on the brake lights of the cars in front of me to drive defensively. They tell me when I should expect to put my brake on.

If brake lights turn on just because some took their foot off the gas, I can't tell the difference between a gradual slowdown and an intent to stop, so it would make it way more likely that I wouldn't brake in time to avoid a collision in a sudden stop of traffic.

Brake lights should only ever indicate that a driver has their foot on the brake. I absolutely must have this information delivered to me reliably. If the meaning of brake lights changed as recommended here, I would be legitimately scared of highway driving.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

This would basically mean that the brake light would stay on almost all the time that you weren't actively accelerating.

As I understand the idea of "single pedal operation", taking your foot off the accelerator pedal initiates regenerative braking. If your foot is not on the accelerator, you are braking, and the brake lights should be illuminated. But the brake lights are normally controlled by the brake pedal. You are braking without touching that brake pedal; the lights will not come on.

OP is trying to solve that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

I suppose the main bulk of people misinterpreting op is due to how most people don't think of EVs as the default and as someone who lives in a part of the US where EVs are pretty rare I assumed Regen braking was activated by pressing the brakes but hey I guess that goes to show my lack of ev experience and motivation to think about how driving one works due to how rarely I come across them and have the opportunity to even consider buying one

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I've driven rentals that put the brake lights on if you did not have a foot on the gas, and only lit a 3rd brake light when actually pressing the brake. Dunno why it isn't more common tho.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Because a think called a “brake light” should light go only to indicate braking?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

To be fair, that's what the 3rd light that only lights up when the brake is applied is. 😌

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Reminds me of the cars that now have the reverse lights on when they're just in park making me think they're going to back up but never do.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Yeah I've had so many Chevy's spoof me into thinking they were backing out of a parking spot only to realize they weren't, infuriating

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

That's stupid feature on American cars only and they've been doing it forever.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 months ago

Standardised is a funny word, a car manufacturer doesn't standardise. Laws and 3rd parties like ANCAP do.

When they need to do it to sell it with certain safety requirements, they will.

However, even if those happen, and car makers today start building them with that, it'll take a decade or longer before you'll start seeing them in majority on the road. So even if you lobby for it, expect time since I'd say less than half of all people buy new cars, so it's not until the second hand market sees it will it be commonplace.

Right now the second hand market is starting to see things like collision avoidance systems and they will often flash brake lights when emergency braking on behalf of the driver.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

There's a reason race vehicles don't have brake lignts.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

F1 and NASCAR don’t. Plenty of other race vehicles do, LeMans for example.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

Well don't leave us hanging! Why don't race cars have brake lights?!

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago (6 children)

Ok i'll bite. Because why? How can you decelrate quickly enough to need to notify the driver behind you without braking?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

Jake brakes in big trucks, but most of them do show brake lights now even though you just coast to activate them. Some drivers like to turn them off because it makes you look like a dangerous rookie in the mountains if your brake lights are on consistently while going downhill.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Other than regen braking like everyone said (which really slows down a car almost effectively as brakes when set to the highest regen setting; look up "one pedal driving"), you can also slow down a car quite rapidly in a manual transmission if you skip a gear or two when downshifting. No brake lights come on when you do this, and honestly I think that they should.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

EVs have regenerative braking, where when you let off the accelerator, it immediately starts slowing down, quickly. But the brake lights don't come on. This would make driving behind EVs safer.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

Perhaps when EVs use regenerative braking, they should display their brake lights. Use brakes, show brake lights, same rule as before just enforce it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Perhaps when EVs use regenerative braking, they should display their brake lights. Use brakes, show brake lights, same rule as before just enforce it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago
[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago

Old auto trannys didn't have a bypass. You dropped to first some obeyed

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

I would like to share this with you: https://youtu.be/U0YW7x9U5TQ

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago

Engine or regenerative braking can very quickly slow down a vehicle but may not activate the brake lights depending on the manufacturer.

Or crashing, I guess.

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