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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Image AI is cool as fuck and I refuse to pretend otherwise.

The dolts charging money for "commissions," or even just bragging about something they allegedly created, will be a blip for these few short years. The tech will become another tool anyone can use so long as they have a few free gigabytes... which is already a bit like saying, so long as they have a few free megabytes.

If there's any unavoidable AI tells, when someone sketches an image but has Photoshop finish it for them, we'll come to spot those as readily as we spot gradient fill or the oil-paint filter. They'll be a sign someone did some, but not all, of the hard work. Big whoop.

If there are no tells - if more training lets an overworked graphics card churn out exactly what you describe, as surely as a human artist might - that's gonna be fantastic for expression. And it won't prevent anyone from painting with actual brushes and canvas.

The video versions of this stupid GPU trick will allow any weirdo to turn their original script or sordid fanfiction into an actual movie you can watch with your eyeballs. The characters don't need to look or sound like any specific real actor. It's gonna get wild.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If the rise of LLMs to the mainstream has taught me anything, it's that artists are very whiny bunch who vastly over value themselves.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

For me, it shown how vile people can be to others, just because they're not injuring themselves during work.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

I don't see a problem with Generative AI, because it's just going to be a great tool for companies to add graphics real fast to their products. I don't see it replacing regular art, since "AI art" is just a natural progression for endless content that you can already scroll on social media when you are bored.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 3 months ago (2 children)

You can't "defeat" AI. It's not an organization or a group to fight against; it's technological progress.

The weavers' uprisings didn't stop the Industrial Revolution either. AI is a tool, and those who learn to handle and adapt to it the fastest will be the ones who fare the best.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago (2 children)

People said the same about NFTs, and they suddenly disappeared...

With enough "bullying", we can force the genie back into its lamp. We just need to learn more from anti-GMO karens.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

NFTs were a straight-up scam. The wire mother of wire fraud.

The only reason crypto almost-sorta-kinda works is that nearly anything works as a medium of exchange so long as it's fungible. Which is the F those Ts were N.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It's not even a matter of bullying: NFTs disappeared because they were fundamentally not viable, and there's a good chance that generative AI is also not viable.

Generating an output is extremely computationally expensive, which is a problem because you need several attempts to get an acceptable output (at least in terms of images). This service can't stay free or cheap forever, and once it starts being expensive, that's also a problem in itself since generative AI is most suited to generate large amounts of low-profit content.

For example, earlier this month, Deviantart highlighted a creator that they claimed to be one of their highest earners; they made $25k "in less than a year", which is not much for the highest earner, and they did it by posting over NINE THOUSAND images in that time. They were selling exlusives for less than $10.

The only way this makes sense is if it's really cheap to generate that many images. Even a moderate price, multiplied by 9000, multiplied by the number of attempts each time, would have destroyed their already middling profit.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The weavers fought the capitalist system not industrial progress with the weaving machines being the easiest target as the where expensive to build, but highly profitable.

Same here: The goal is the overcoming of capitalism but until then we can annoy them by messing with their new toys.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

They literally fought the machines.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago

Let's smash the data centres to cost the capitalists lots of money

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Nobody has been able to make a convincing argument in favour of generative AI. Sure, it's a tool for creating art. It abstracts the art making process away so that the barrier to entry is low enough that anyone can use it regardless of skill. A lot of people have used these arguments to argue for these tools, and some artists argue that because it takes no skill it is bad. I think that's beside the point. These models have been trained on data that is, in my opinion, both unethical and unlawful. They have not been able to conclusively demonstrate that the data was acquired and used in line with copyright law. That leads to the second, more powerful argument: they are using the labour of artists without any form of compensation, recognition, permission, or credit.

If, somehow, the tools could come up with their own styles and ideas then it should be perfectly fine to use them. But until that happens (it won't, nobody will see unintended changes in AI as anything other than mistakes because it has no demonstrable intent) use of a generative AI should be seen as plagiarism or copyright infringement.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So, how do art students learn? They are doing the exact same things. Only they do a lot less, because natural neural networks (aka brains) are not capable of processing training data as quickly. It's not as if every artist has to reinvent the wheel and generative AIs don't and as such have an unfair advantage.

Look at inventions like the printing press! Did everybody like it? The catholic church certainly didn't! Is it a a phantastic peace of technology anyway? Sure is!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Students learn techniques that they apply to their own personal style. The goal of art school isn't to create a legion of artists that can churn out identical art, it's to give young creatives the tools they need to realize the ideas in their head.

AI has no ideas in it's head. Instead, it takes in a bunch of an artists work, and then produces something that does it's best to match the plagiarized artist's style exactly.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

We don't know if there's much of a difference between an AI and a brain. If we look "into" an artificial neural net we only see a lot of "weights" that don't make any sense. If we look into a brain, we also can't make any more sense of it. The difference is smaller than we want it to be because it seems to either give AIs a lot of credit or it makes us less than we want to be. We are very biased, don't forget that.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

How does copyright law cover this?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Copyright gives the copyright holder exclusive rights to modify the work, to use the work for commercial purposes, and attribution rights. The use of a work as training data constitutes using a work for commercial purposes since the companies building these models are distributing licencing them for profit. I think it would be a marginal argument to say that the output of these models constitutes copyright infringement on the basis of modification, but worth arguing nonetheless. Copyright does only protect a work up to a certain, indefinable amount of modification, but some of the outputs would certainly constitute infringement in any other situation. And these AI companies would probably find it nigh impossible to disclose specifically who the data came from.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

Copyright gives the copyright holder exclusive rights to modify the work, to use the work for commercial purposes, and attribution rights.

Copyright remains a system of abuse that empowers large companies to restrict artistic development than it does encourage artists. Besides which, you're failing to consider transformative work.

As it is, companies like Disney, Time Warner and Sony have so much control over IP that artists can't make significant profit without being controlled by those companies, and then only a few don't get screwed over.

There are a lot of valid criticisms about AI, but the notion that training them on work gated by IP law is not one of them... Unless you mean to also say that human beings cannot experience the work either.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

Unions would probably work, as long as you get some people the company doesn't want to replace in there too

Maybe also federal regulations, although would probably just slow it because models are being made all around the world, including places like Russia and China that the US and EU don't have legal influence over

Also, it might be just me, but it feels like generative AI progress has really slowed, it almost feels like we're approaching the point where we've squeezed the most out of the hardware we have and now we just have to wait for the hardware to get better

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

generative ai also ruins idents and mabye even diagrams.

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