Too bad they only set these up in wealthy areas.
this post was submitted on 09 Feb 2024
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Think they could use the fees to subsidize public transit in and out of the city? I'd imagine most of the car traffic is people entering Manhattan from out of NYC or leaving it, so it would be nice if they further incentivized that by making the PATH, LIRR or NJT cheaper, but that may be interstate commerce.
I generally support this, but I think Murphy's comments are sensible here, though, maybe not the lawsuit that's causing issues.
The MTA would give a credit to drivers paying tolls for the Lincoln, Holland and Queens-Midtown tunnels and the Hugh L. Carey bypass to the financial district from Brooklyn, also known as the Brooklyn–Battery Tunnel.
So, would people taking one of these have their toll applied to the congestion fee? I'm a little unclear on that. The GW isn't listed there, but I suppose that's sensible since it drops ya out north of 60th.
I'm not sure making transit cheaper is the right thing to do when the money would better be spent on making the service more attractive, iirc PATH could use much higher frequencies.
No toll credits for the GWB, and the credit on other crossings is limited to $5 off the the daytime toll of $15, no credit during nights and weekends because the toll drops to $3.75 at those times.
ETA - my prices are ezpass discounted ones
Direct Link to Price Chart P1 EZPass P2 “Other Rates” (TollsByMail)
Well that's disappointing. Kinda seems like NYC is double dipping on fees then. Congestion pricing is a sensible thing to do, but it seems the way NYC is implementing is fairly inconsiderate and slightly opportunistic. Especially with the way its handling low income drivers. It should also scale up for higher income drivers.
When the idea first came up with Bloomberg, it was gonna be an $8 toll and a full toll credit for the then about $4 and change toll (ezpass price, $6 cash) while using ezpass. Immediately after that plan came out the Port Authority (which runs Holland and Lincoln) immediately raised their ezpass price for the tunnels to $8. For a time I believe all toll credits were taken off the table because of what the PA did 15 years ago, and toll credits have been very contentious since.
I appreciate this... but I do also wish it was wealth or car model scaled.
There are some income thresholds that cap fees, and the charge is lower for passenger vehicles than commercial vehicles. It's not perfect, and I'd like to see higher fees for pickup trucks and SUVs, but there are some fee tiers.
Disagree. I see where you're coming from, but make it flat fee, and give lower income cheaper metro passes. Make it stupid easy and cheap for them to transit into the city.
I wish it were a straight ban and while I appreciate the desire to make it progressive, the fact is in the most well-connected city in the US, the goal isn't to generate revenue from this, it is to reduce the amount of cars, and that includes poor people in non-suvs.
There's a discount for low income residents from what I recall (although I believe it's small). I agree that SUVs and pickup trucks should be hit harder, but perhaps that can be added down the line.