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[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

Yes let's use a letter that could only be pronounced in English for Spanish speaking people.

Who the fuck ever came up with that is a next level idiot. Especially considering Spanish already HAS a gender neutral suffix, -e.

Which, funnily enough would mean that non binary in Spanish would be like, no binarie. Which sounds almost identical to English.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

through thorough thought, yadda yadda.

What I don't understand is that as soon as you start criticizing other languages for similar absurdities you're gonna get a bunch of people coming out of the woodwork to defend it. People are fine to shit on english for being a horrible language, and I'm fine with that as well because that's true, but as soon as you criticize spanish, i.e. another language that spread to everywhere because of colonialism, you're gonna get dogpiled about how everything is getting forced from the outside by non-native spanish speakers and how it's all so artificial and astroturfed. But then they also don't acknowledge these calls whenever they have come from inside the house, which is something that's always happening, and they also won't do anything really to refute the core logic of the critique outside of what's basically just prescriptivism.

I dunno, maybe it's just because the british have sucked the fun out of everything and american imperialism has kind of given english generally a bad reputation among all of the south american countries which would generally speak spanish, and so that's going to lead to a kind of resistance to anything seen as coming in from there, which is fair enough.

The bigger problem I have, though,, which also applies to english, is how ineffective any of these more academic strategies for change are, even if they're mostly well-intentioned. You see this outside of language, too. As long as we're not making some institutional change, then no progress is gonna be made because people will see it all as artificial ivory tower bullshit, and won't wanna use it. For english, it would have to be taught in school as part of a base level curriculum, and if you're trying to grassroots it, then it'll have to be explained every time you use it, with every new person, which impedes communication in literal terms and means it probably won't get picked up.

What's weird to me is that we can't have that, and implicitly there can kind of be nothing that challenges the informal rules or structure of language, so no major shakeups are allowed, but still somehow we'll see every kid on tiktok every two weeks start to accumulate some form of AAVE and then proceed to completely drive it into the ground. I guess that's just because the internet is kind of a chaotic place and these things are primed to propagate pretty easily, but it's kind of frustrating how totally undirected it all is, and how it all preys on our worst instincts. Means we get people that can only talk in buzzwords and call everything woke without having any formal definition for what that means really. I wonder how fast you could artificially change someone's mind for the better if that's what you actually wanted to do with social media. That maybe sounds villainous or manipulative, but I think we have to understand that this is something that exists and has always existed with these platforms, and by ignoring it, we just let the worst instincts and actors take over and fester instead.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Good lord not again man. You can't dictate how we, the people from LATAM, speak our language.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

Me, when I'm confronted with the prospect of introducing a grammatical neutral third gender

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

Cissplaining really

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I'm pretty done with English speakers trying to shame other languages.

Go noun some verbs, English. You are drunk.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Is there anything wrong with the statement? Is there a misconception of how Spanish works?

I literally don't know enough about Spanish to know either way or what the correct translation should be

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If someone identifies as non-binary they would be neither male or female in how you address them, at least in english. In Spanish "non-binary" doesn't translate to a neuter equivalent because the gender of a word matters in the context of who you are addressing.

I am not a native or proficient speaker of Spanish, so I could be off.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

So there just isn't a "correct" way to use the concept in Spanish yet?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

No soy quién para decirlo.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

que si, que no
lalallalala

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

How about non-native English speakers trying to shame English instead? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJ69ny57pR0

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