So if I understand correctly, he wants to sign a form to avoid signing a different form because that different form would be in a different filing cabinet?
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That's how i read it too, and it was frustrating as heck.
This guy doesn't want the government to be involved in his family life but also wants courts to recognize he is the legal father of the child?
And he also wants a passport for his kid.
My dad and my brother both have passports and travel regularly.
I can't get a passport because my dad refuses to give me legal access to his birth certificate to prove that one of my parents was a citizen when I was born.
Why? Because according to the him, the government shouldn't need that information from our family, so he refuses on principal.
I can't get a passport without that document.
I can try and take my dad to small claims court, but I don't have the money for that, my relationship with my dad is civil and functional aside from this one issue, and getting lawyers involved will destroy the family, all I want is a passport.
He needs a psychiatrist, not a lawyer. Because he makes no sense.
There isn't really enough advice or support out there for children of whack job idiots.
Can you just wait until he is not home and just find it and use it and then return it before he knows what's up? I'm guessing your mother is no longer with him or you would get her to get it or talk him into it right?
That would be breaking and entering, and theft, and I also can't be certain he even has a copy at his house, I also need to get it witnessed and notorised for my application, which is harder to do stealthily with my disabilities.
I do not want to break the law in order to get a passport of the country I'm a citizen of.
My mother and he are long divorced.
Just remember. If you end up having to sue him to get this resolved, that's not you destroying the family, that's him.
This is very true, though I don't really care how the family gets destroyed, I don't want to have a destroyed family at this point in my life right now because I need their support in other ways, so if I can avoid pulling the pin on a series of events I know my father will choose to react poorly to, I want to save myself that stress.
I know my mental health could not handle a family break down right now.
Sticking to his principles of what he thinks he should have to do, even though his inaction is harming others. He sounds just like those nonvoter people who hate Biden for supporting genocide so they're gonna let a worse genocide happen.
Fucking Kantians.
It's so baffling because this is really one of the only things he has an issue with. Other than my passport, he doesn't talk or act like he has any major issues with the government as a process.
I will say, I'm not too worried that his anti-gov opinions will result in great levels of harm. My country had had a conservative party in power for some time now. I also hate the current government. My dad marches at the fortnightly pro-palestine rally in our city, and he attends antifa and pro queer events with me and my mum. Last year he phoned me to get information about the socialist party because after years of voting for the labour/workers party he's going harder left. He values my political opinion. He's socially progressive (despite having the wrong vocabulary to express his opinions, nothing funnier than an old bloke saying "what is everyone's problem with fags reading books to kids!? It's so wholesome")
And I would say he's masking some of deep rooted misogyny or something and just wants to prevent his female kid from accessing basic government services.
But he's got no issues with women and non men having passports, and in every other aspect of my life he is supportive and wants me to succeed...he also wants me to travel, he keeps saying he'll pay for my holiday, but I tell him I don't need money, just his birth certificate, and he continues to say "no you don't need that, you just need your birth certificate"
I've taken him to the passport office with me and had the admin worker tell him to how face he needs to give me his birth certificate, and he told her "no, that's unnecessary" and then he walked out and waited for me in the car.
It all started in the last 5 years, in 2019. In my 20s, he had no issues whatsoever with anything I did, I wasn't in a financial position to travel so I never looked into getting a passport till I was almost 30, and suddenly dad didn't want the government in his business but only in the context of me requiring to prove that he's my parent.
It's not even like I can write him off as senile.
I thought this would be about abortion but then I almost really wish that it was.
To answer the dude's questions, yes, there are numerous ways to legally establish a parental right without signing an acknowledgment of paternity. I'm pretty sure every state in America has a law on the books that says that the man with whom a woman is cohabitating at the time a baby is born is Is presumed to be the father, though that can be rebutted with evidence.
I was in the gallery in court one time when a case came before the judge in which the child had no birth certificate after a home birth. Simply because the woman had had five or six other kids, felt like everything was going fine, and there was a massive blizzard and power outage at the time of the kid's eventual of birth. She had the baby at home. They testified that over the years they had made some attempts to fix up the paperwork, but never got it right, running up against the bureaucracy of it. In my state, probate courts have authority to create and amend vital records. They had to put an advertisement in the newspaper before the court hearing to announce that this person was seeking to have a birth certificate made out, so that if anyone knew of a reason why it should not issue, they could come and contest the hearing. Since there was no one there to contest the evidence, that's basically an automatic win under a preponderance standard. Paternity can be established as much the same way, but usually there is some man there who doesn't want to be a father to contest it. In the case that both parents want to established paternity, it's not hard to do.
I guess the hardest part for this guy would be to stop being a a dumb and ignorant scared little baby, and maybe, I don't know, follow some of the laws he wishes to avail himself to. Availing yourself to law is a surefire way to find yourself under its jurisdiction, even when you are from out of town.
That whole newspaper thing is so outdated. It's the same in my state to change your name. Nobody reads them anymore so of course nobody is gonna contest.
Last I knew, there was some progress here. Some judges at least were starting to allow notice by publication on social media. Even process, served on Facebook.
Nice, it's free too so they don't have to shell out hundreds of bucks to be in a newspaper.
I can't imagine someone who doesn't want to fill out a piece of paper to establish paternity would he willing to submit to court for pretty much any reason.
I watched a bodycam video the other day where a crunchy (tie dye shirt, “I don’t contract with you, man!) mother brought her teen daughter to screams and tears fighting the cop and refusing to exit her vehicle after driving off during a traffic stop. I feel terrible for the poor children of these lunatics.
Can you call CPS before a child is born?
Yes.
Someone really needs to in this case then.
They won’t do shit in Texas
Source: have called CPS in Texas for far worse than this and nothing happens
If it's any consolation, this dipshit probably won't vaccinate the kid so there's a solid chance they won't live long enough to be affected by much of the paperwork side of it.
They never do.
I love how the dude isn't even a dad yet and is already somehow instinctively weaseling out of (the inevitable) child support payments.
That’s the opposite of the fathering instinct?
Somehow i think his "notorized statement of live birth" will be met with a shrug and a request for an "Acknowledgement of Paternity" form if he wants his paternity registered.
I do love how hes all huffy about the government having said record, but then immediately names somethings he needs from the government that they very reasonably will not give you otherwise.
He just wants to eat his cake and have it, too.
Isn't that, like, the motto of all Sovereign Citizens?
I thought it was "am I being detained?" followed by taser-induced yelps and a thud. They've got a few though.