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Microsoft has told all its employees in China that they will soon only be allowed to use iPhones for work purposes. The ban on Android devices is part of a security-related Microsoft initiative for providing a unified way of managing and verifying employee identities.

The mandate, set to come into effect in September 2024, was announced in an internal memo seen by Bloomberg News. It will require Microsoft's China-based workers to verify their identities when logging in to work computers or phones. The change is part of Microsoft's global Secure Future Initiative that is intended, among other things, to ensure that all staff use the Microsoft Authenticator password manager and Identity Pass app.

While Apple's iOS store is available in China, Google Play isn't. Local smartphone giants such as Huawei and Xiaomi operate their own platforms in the country, but Microsoft has chosen to block access from those companies' devices to its corporate resources because they lack Google's mobile services, reads the memo.

Any staff in the country using Android handsets, including those from Huawei or Xiaomi, will be provided with an iPhone 15, as a one-time purchase. The Redmond giant is designating collection points across China where employees can pick up their iPhones.

Microsoft is also introducing the iPhones-only rule in Hong Kong, despite the Google Play Store being available in the special administrative region of China.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

But iPhones are made by your own fucking competition, Microsoft.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

And Android phones are also made by Microsoft's competitor in many fields.

To me the bigger wtf is why Apple has an App store there, but Android do not.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Android is being used by Microsoft now since Windows Phone didn't really do very well. Their Surface Duo device runs Android. Windows 11 has a "Windows Subsystem for Android" feature... that uses the Amazon Appstore (and is actually getting phased out - the WSA thing, not the Amazon Appstore).

And yeah, I have no idea why the Google Play Store isn't available there, seems like a pretty weird decision. Can you tell I hate geoblocking?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Google can't operate Play Store in China because it closed its Chinese offices in response to China attempting to hack them (and several other corporations) back in 2010 (Operation Aurora).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Apple didn't fall victim to this?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Probably already hacked/complicit.

(edit: see other comment with articles about it)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago
[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The Redmond giant

One of my least favorite things in journalism. Idk if it is SEO or what but it's so bizarre.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 months ago (3 children)

It's just a writer seeking to vary their language a bit. It's a trick to keep themselves from repeating "Microsoft" quite so many times in a short span, as too much word repetition can cause readers to "tune out".

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Oh I could help them out with a few synonyms: The asshats with the Internet Explorer, the start menu advertising clowns, the BSOD guys, the USE ONLY MY WEBBROWSER bullies, ...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

It sucks so bad when people do this in Russian.

Same person monotonously being referred to as "young woman" (not that it has anything to do in the context, just to replace "she" or ""), "", "", "", some other crap instead of refactoring and compressing the text a bit.

It works when there's relevant information.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

That's fair enough, but "the X giant" in particular I see so often. It feels like an in-joke amongst journalists or something.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 3 months ago

Sounds like Google's enterprise features have a dependency on Google Play (and presumably GSF) and Android phones in China can't be turned into work phones as a result. Makes a lot of sense.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Any staff in the country using Android handsets, including those from Huawei or Xiaomi, will be provided with an iPhone 15, as a one-time purchase

Fuck off. If you're mandating what device I'm to use for work; you're going to provide said device free of charge, or shut the fuck up when I use whatever I like.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

In China you don't get to have that opinion.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

That's not how it works in "communist" China.

Workers don't have too many rights.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Workers don’t have too many rights.

Maybe not stellar but still better than quite a few of the 135 countries surveyed by this NGO in 2022. Behind Brazil, Russia and South Africa but ahead of India. Better than the so-called "land of the free" also, so maybe the joke's on them?

[–] [email protected] -3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That's a lot of whataboutism you're doing there.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

sorry if the data I brought disturbed your China bashing, you're free to ignore it

[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Oh poor China! How dare I bash such a paradise (non-Han Chinese excepted)!

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That’s my read of it, or am I misunderstanding something?

Microsoft will purchase for their Android using employees an iPhone 15. The reference to one-time being that employees are only entitled to one, in the event they were to lose or damage it?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I could be wrong; but it came across to me as a "we'll sell you one at a special discount"

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Fair enough; it’s a bit vaguely worded and could be interpreted multiple ways.

From my experience, big corporations have always either provided me with company-issued phones for official use, or offered an additional allowance if I’ve opted to use my own personal device.

Then again, given how absolutely absurd some of Microsoft’s recent decisions have been (eg. Recall) - you can’t really be certain.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Considering they are designating “collection points” for the phones, I think you read it correctly.

One-time purchase is probably to incentivize not losing/selling your company phone.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

I don't like apple but due to the heavy nuance of this situation I approve of this action. It would have been better for them to develop and distribute their own methods of secure authentication but I realize a for profit company would never agree to that.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

The enterprise features are nicer on iOS and less confusing for clients and administrators. So I can understand the appeal of eliminating android.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Maybe read the text? It has nothing to do with prefering iOS. It's just google refused to comply with China's spyware requests some time ago (a broken clock and all that), so it's literally impossible to use android for this in China. Apple on the other hand is happy to suck China's dick hahahaha, so it's the only option. Man, you Apple fans are really brainwashed, this is a bad look for Apple hahahah.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Yeah, I'm not a apple fan. I'm just trying to find the silver lining in a crappy situation. "It's less work managing one environment at least" was the thought.

Personally I strongly prefer Android and I'm happy to see the EU cracking down on Apple.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Play services actually works very well for containerizing work apps. Better actually than on iOS. My work can offer a set of apps that are available in this isolated container and apply policy to them that doesn't impact other areas of the phone. I can also shut off all of them with a single button when I am on PTO. Microsoft's apps require these services to build the container, and I believe Android phones in China do not have play services. It's not perfect, but I personally think it works very well.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Oh sure, its not bad. It's just that's exactly the issue. The hybrid configuration of work apps and personal apps in my experience was mentally draining to explain time after time to people and configure in intune and knox. People frequently used it incorrectly. With iOS it was much more subtle and friendly experience I rarely had any issues with the apple users. Perhaps we were using it wrong, but it was a miserable experience for everyone involved.

We tried the work only configuration that was much more pleasant to maintain but we were threatened with a strike if we didn't let people install their own apps.

Edit: This was back in the galaxy s7 days so maybe it's better now.

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